Hi

I think V3 is worth having the IESG work over.

I made one small change

 s/intended to them as recipients/intended them as recipients/

tim


On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 9:31 PM Bron Gondwana <brong=
[email protected]> wrote:

> Based on Dave and Murray's comments in particular, here's another take!
>
> Key Changes:
>
>    - Removed milestone dates
>    - Simplified a lot of the supporting text
>    - No mention of "trust relationships"
>    - Used the words "hop" and "hops" to align with the terminology in
>    RFC5322.
>    - Detailed known issues, and specified the three major issues being
>    addressed explicitly: modifications, lack of signature on recipient, lack
>    of signature on sender/bounce address.
>
> The detail of known issues is maybe a bit wordy - would be happy to see
> tighter text proposals.
>
> Again - the original is at:
> https://notes.ietf.org/YGynIPpYS7yqg5G7ZeSQeA?both
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bron.
> DKIM2 Draft Charter
> Background
> Emails often flow indirectly through multiple systems - at each hop
> potentially undergoing redirection, expansion into multiple copies via
> aliases and mailing lists, as well as rewriting and filtering before
> eventually arriving at a mailbox or being processed by a receiving software
> agent.
>
> Known difficulties caused by multi-hop email delivery include:
>
>    - If a message is modified after DKIM signing, it is not possible to
>    determine what was modified, or which hop made which changes.
>    - The SMTP RCPT TO address might not be present in the signed header
>    fields of an email, meaning that the same message can be sent to
>    arbitrarily many recipients, and those recipients can not tell if the
>    signer intended to them as recipients.
>    - Similarly, a message with the exact same DKIM signature can be
>    legitimately received by multiple recipients at a single domain, meaning
>    that tracking signatures is not sufficient to determine whether a message
>    is being replayed.
>    - The SMTP MAIL FROM address can be forged, meaning that accepting an
>    email and later sending a DSN to that address can cause backscatter, making
>    it hard to perform asynchronous content analysis or delay delivery while
>    collecting more signal; leading to the use of greylisting as a suboptimal
>    workaround to delay making a determination.
>
> Objectives
> The working group will extend and modify the mechanisms of DKIM to address
> message alterations, to provide signing of the intended recipient address
> at each hop, and to make asynchronous delivery status notifications usable.
>
> It will be necessary for any new design to work in parallel with the
> existing mechanisms, and have a clear upgrade path.
>
> To achieve its goals, this work requires a wide scope. The group may need
> to supersede, modify, or replace many parts of the current email
> infrastructure and associated reporting mechanisms.
>
> To allow for widespread adoption, proposed solutions will be tested for
> interoperability and scalability.
>
> Deliverables
> The working group will produce multiple documents, at least:
>
>    - A overview document describing the problem area and proposed
>    mechanism (informational)
>    - One or more documents on implementation of the mechanism (standards
>    track)
>    - A guide for implementation during the changeover period, in which
>    interoperability with existing mechanisms needs to be maintained
>    (informational)
>
> This working group will also liaise with the DMARC working group on adding
> our specification as a new recognized authentication mechanism.
>
> Milestones
>
>    - Overview document adopted
>    - Mechanism document draft(s) adopted
>    - Experiments and updated drafts
>    - Implementation guide adopted
>    - Group of related documents sent to IESG
>
>
>
> --
>   Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd
>   [email protected]
>
>
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