> On Apr 29, 2025, at 6:08 PM, Dave Crocker <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 4/29/2025 1:33 AM, John Levine wrote:
>> I don't expect MUAs like Outlook or Thunderbird (or for us old guys Alpine) 
>> to support DKIM2 either, for
>> ths same reason.  They submit new mail to their MSA and it takes care of 
>> DKIM2 signing.  You know, just
>> like it takes care of DKIM signing now.
> 
> 
> There is a difference between implementation choices and a design that 
> constrains those choices.
> 
> DKIM can be, and has been implemented, in originating and receiving MUAs.  
> Works fine.  There is, of course, nothing wrong with choosing to implement in 
> by platform operators, but the DKIM architecture very carefully does not 
> require this.
> 
> There seems to be a continuing need for people to be more diligently 
> indoctrinated into the perspective represented by the End to End Arguments.

DKIM was a protocol that addressed the problems and challenges of sending mail 
in the mid 00’s. The problems and challenges we’re facing nearly 2 decades 
later are different and need different solutions. We also know a lot more than 
we did then. 

What we need is something that addresses the issues we’re facing today. 

Laura 
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