Hi!

On 6/29/26 15:35, Bron Gondwana wrote:
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- How is the mf/rt chain checked in the presence of nd? Just skip the nd
hop? I.e. if i=4 has mf/rt, i=5 has nd, i=6 has mf=rt, do I check i=6
against i=4 using the usual rules?

No, you never skip over a hop.  You check:

i=4 rt=foo@X
i=5 d=X; nd=Y
i=6 d=Y; mf=bar@Y

(Reformatted, your formatting gave me white on white in my message composition editor.)

Those are the invariants which must pass.

They look much stricter than the usual checks.

If i=5 where a "normal" intermediate signature,

- i=6 the mf domain would be allowed to be a subdomain of the d domain

- The i=4 rt domain would be only very loosely related to the i=5 d domain (indirectly via the i=5 mf domain) Basically i=5 mf could be any subdomain of i=5 d, and i=4 rt domain could be any "super"domain (suffix) of that. That is, i=4 rt can be either the same as i=5 d, or one a subdomain of the other (this way or the other way)!

And once, we'd adjust for that, I'm not sure what we gain from nd over just having some synthesized/fictitious mf/rt on i=5 instead of nd.

I.e. i=5 d=X mf=fictitious@X rt=fictitious@Y


Yes, that was indeed the discussion.  The point of nd= rather than fictitious part was to make it clear that the same party (or: related parties that can be treated as the same) was creating both signatures.

Then I'd suggest that the "nd" hop also declares mf/rt (if need be, fictitious) as usual. The function of "nd" would then be only for a clearly defined strictness (restrict who can sign the next hop and declare that there's a relationship).

Hannah.

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