Mike said
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For larger business and maybe ISP's even, our anecdotal experience at 
Cisco is that our messaging and DNS folks don't have mich to do with one
another (changing mx records is not a ordinary event). Thus to achieve
key rollover, you'd need to create linkages between the groups and their
software that didn't exist before.
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Which is our situation, so I sidle over to the DNS folks to get a swag
and right after

"WHY THE H*** ARE YOU DOING THIS IN DNS? DO IT AT THE MTA FER XXXXXSAKE"
The answer was quarterly is the minimum time they would be willing to
change keys
.
Thanks,
 
Bill Oxley 
Messaging Engineer 
Cox Communications, Inc. 
Alpharetta GA 
404-847-6397 
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Dave Crocker wrote:

>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I suspect in the real sysadmin world changing keys every week
probably
>> isn't going to happen :-)
>
>
>
> Given the intended use of DKIM and given the current state of DNS 
> administrative tools, what do folks think *is* a realistic expectation

> (and recommendation) for the lifespan of a key, for a typical email 
> operation?
>
> In other words, given the pragmatics, how often is reasonable an 
> appropriate for changing keys?

I don't want to put words into Arvel's mouth, but my read of his users 
experience
is that you struggle to get the keys into the DNS once and hope that you

never have
to struggle with it again. I think his base is mostly small/medium 
business.

For larger business and maybe ISP's even, our anecdotal experience at 
Cisco is
that our messaging and DNS folks don't have mich to do with one another 
(changing
mx records is not a ordinary event). Thus to achieve key rollover, you'd

need
to create linkages between the groups and their software that didn't 
exist before.
Which is to say, a very slow process for the motivated, and a 
non-process for
the unmotivated. Maybe SPF has helped here, but I doubt it.

       Mike
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