On Saturday 09 September 2006 12:07, Dave Crocker wrote:
> Wietse Venema wrote:
> > Here is an example why first-party signatures can be dangerous.
>
> Right.
>
> They key point, to me, is that a signature by the rfc2822.From domain is
> likely to help control against some existing types of phishing, but it
> clearly will not help against others.
>
I don't think anyone would disagree with this.

> Worse, we have no empirical data about what is or is not effective, in
> helping end-users to detect phishing.  So, to the extent that end-users
> figure into anyone's expectations about DKIM's benefits against
> phishing, we are flying quite blind.
>
The best way to help end-users avoid getting phished it to not accept phishing 
messages for delivery.  DKIM-SSP where strict policy statements are published 
offer a mechanism for this.  From my perspective, the utility of DKIM as it 
relates to end-users is, I agree, quite uncertain.

> Therefore, to the extent that anyone touts a DKIM-based mechanism as
> defeating phishing, we run the risk of undermining all of DKIM's
> credibility, by setting expectations far too high.
>
Agreed.  Is anyone doing this?

Scott K
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