On Saturday 09 September 2006 15:12, John Levine wrote:
> >It seems to me you may be saying that a look-alike domain can be made
> >to look more authentic than the actual domain.  Is that right?  If
> >so, I'd like to understand that.
>
> It doesn't have to look more authentic.  It only has to look as
> authentic.  With SSP, everyone can publish equally authentic "PHISH
> TARGET" notices.
>
I don't recall seeing anything about PHISH TARGET notices in Mike's 
requirements draft, so I think you are arguing that the SSP you are arguing 
against is a different one than the WG is working on.

> >I would call forcing phishers to switch from exact domains to
> >look-alikes progress.
>
> Well, OK.  Here's a small selection from a recent .COM zone file.
> Let's pretend they all just sent you mail, and they all have valid
> signatures and the most draconian SSP.  Which one is really Paypal?
> (One of them is.)

None of them are Paypal domains that have sent messages to me.  I have no 
idea.  I don't think I'd trust any of them (even if one is real, I'd be 
suspicious).  This is, however, irrelevant.  

The point is that none of them are paypal.com.  I think it was PHB that said 
that the advice being given for the last several years to financial 
institutions was to use their main domain name for their transactional mail.  
>
> Claims that SSP is a meaningful anti-phishing tool are nuts.

I imagine it all revolves around the significance one places on blocking exact 
domain forgery/phishes.  If you don't think that's meaningful, then sure.

I think it's meaningful.

Scott K
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