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Dave CROCKER wrote:
>
>
> Jim Fenton wrote:
>> Can you clarify what IESG concern this is attempting to address?  
>
>
> Frankly, for that level of question, I suggest you direct it to our
> area director.  That will be far more efficient than my attempting to
> channel him and the rest of the IESG.
>
OK.

Pasi:

Dave has proposed a change to the rfc4871-errata draft in response to a
concern from the IESG.  Can you clarify what concern the IESG has this
is attempting to address?  I'll repeat my original question below since
you may have missed it.

-Jim

Jim Fenton wrote:
> Can you clarify what IESG concern this is attempting to address?  I
> looked at the IESG evaluation record for the draft
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/ballot/3084/) and didn't see
> anything that this change would address, except possibly Cullen's
> comment that he asked three developers what changes to a 4871
> implementation might be required and they told him "this document was
> completely incomprehensible and they have no idea what needs to change."
>
> I don't see this modification as addressing that comment.
>
> -Jim
>
> Dave CROCKER wrote:
>   
>> Folks,
>>
>> In reviewing the errata (Update) draft, the IESG expressed concern that a 
>> reader 
>> could miss that there is a potential for software changes due to the change 
>> in 
>> the specification.  Indeed, some IESG readers and others did believe there 
>> was 
>> no software change needed.
>>
>> To clarify things, without producing text that makes integration into the 
>> base 
>> document a challenge later, a modification to the Introduction is proposed.  
>> I'm 
>> circulating it to the mailing list to be sure that there are no land mines 
>> in 
>> its interpretations.
>>
>> If the proposed changes causes you particular heartburn, please explain your 
>> concern in detail.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> d/
>>
>>
>> Existing Introduction text:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>>    This currently leaves signers and assessors with the potential for
>>>    having differing -- and therefore non-interoperable --
>>>    interpretations of how DKIM operates.
>>>
>>>    This update resolves this confusion.  It defines new labels for the
>>>    two values, clarifies their nature, and specifies their relationship.
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Proposed text:
>>
>>        <t>This currently leaves signers and assessors with the potential for
>>          making different interpretations between the two identifiers and may
>>          lead to interoperability problems. A signer could intend one to be
>>          used for reputation, and have a non-reputation intent in setting the
>>          value in the other. However the assessor might choose the wrong 
>> value
>>          and produce an unintended (and inaccurate) reputation 
>> assessment.</t>
>>
>>        <t>This update resolves that confusion.  It defines additional, 
>> semantic
>>          labels for the two values, clarifies their nature and specifies 
>> their
>>          relationship.  More specifically, it clarifies that the identifier
>>          intended for reputation lookups (such as white lists) by the
>>          assessor is the value of the "d=" tag. However, this does not
>>          prohibit message filtering engines from using the "i=" tag, or any
>>          other information in the message header, for filtering decisions. 
>> </t>
>>
>>        <t>For signers and assessors that have been using the i= tag for
>>          reputation assessment a software change to using the d= tag is 
>> intended.
>>        </t>
>>
>>   
>>     
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