On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Michael Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> Indeed, and if you review my previous mail I believe you will find
>>> that's exactly what I said.
>>>
>>> The problem isn't that Yahoo is doing anything wrong.  The problem
>>> is that leaving signatures on list mail leads to bogus results.
>>
>> And complaints you can't really take action on. It's not your mailing
>> list, so you cannot prevent further mail to the recipient.
>
> Sure you can. If one of your users is spamming, this would be interesting
> too. The problem here is that John apparently doesn't like the service that
> Y! provides, and instead of taking that up with Y! he's decided to blame it
> on DKIM.

If you subscribe to a mailing list and post to it, that's a far cry
from a bulk distribution of unwanted mail. I'm not sure that any sort
of report like that would ever establish that a user is spamming. If
the user is posting objectionable content to a list, the immediate
resolution is for the list manager to remove that subscriber. So,
we're back to, it should go to the list manager, not the originating
ISP. I would find it useless for it to go back to the original
person's ISP by way of an FBL because I would not be able to find it
actionable. Why? Because there was distribution of the email in
question outside of the control of the original sender. I guess that's
what it boils down to for me. If a message is being re-distributed
outside of my control, ala how discussion lists work, I don't think I
am any longer the responsible party as far as a spam report goes.

I'm not grok'ing a scenario where that report would help you find
somebody who is spamming. I'm open to listening, though. What's an
example scenario where you would find that useful?

Regards,
Al Iverson

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