On 4/29/2010 2:04 PM, Jeff Macdonald wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Dave CROCKER<[email protected]>  wrote:
>> I think you are raising the (much) larger question of constraining the 
>> nature of
>> changes made by MLMs.  Since they [sic] are actually posting an entirely new 
>> message,
>
> and forging the From address

It's not forged:

    "to imitate fraudulently"

    <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/forge>

The use of that word, for this situation, is simply incorrect.

And the retention of the original posting's From: string is quite simply valid. 
  The fact that it is causing a problem for some add-on technologies does not, 
post hoc, render the string invalid.


>> they have the legitimate freedom to do what they want to it.
>
> is it really legitimate in today's world?

Yes.  Until the community develops, adopts and uses some alternative model, 
retention of the original posting's From: string has specific meaning that 
remains essential for mailing list semantics.


>>   However, some can
>> choose to participate in that much more constrained role, looking more like a
>> relaying MTA than a modifying intermediary.
>
> DKIM should be able to survive that.

And there should be world peace.  Our sharing such a wish does not, post hoc, 
render the string invalid.

d/

ps.  DKIM /can/ survive that.  Merely use l=0 and hash only the From: field or 
perhaps From: and Date: or perhaps...  The fact that the community considers 
that alternative inadequate is understandable, but again, this add-on 
technology 
(DKIM) does not have the right to come in and declare well-established existing 
practice invalid.

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net
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