On 05/26/2010 08:17 AM, Steve Atkins wrote:
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>> On 05/26/2010 07:48 AM, Steve Atkins wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps I missed something, but if domain B is rejecting email from the 
>>>>> list Authored by A, then won't that cause a list member at domain B to be 
>>>>> removed from the list as well? I think that is what John meant by 
>>>>> innocent bystander. Most MLM remove subscribers after repeated bounces. I 
>>>>> don't know if they are smart enough to look into why the message bounced.
>>>
>>> That's exactly the issue, and not a theoretical one.
>>>
>>> However, domain B is not an innocent bystander, as they intentionally 
>>> configured their mail system to reject mail it shouldn't, and the 
>>> recipients at domain B support that decision, on some level.
>>
>> Wait a minute. There's nothing wrong with discarding something set to 
>> discardable (cf, "shouldn't").
>
> Yup. They didn't do that, though.
>
>> Or are you saying that it shouldn't produce a bounce/5xx and just silently 
>> discard it?
>
> Exactly.
>
> If they would otherwise deliver the mail, and the reason they decided not to 
> was because of a combination of an ADSP-discardable record and the lack of a 
> DKIM signature then they should silently discard the mail.

I don't think that we've ever come to any consensus on whether it should be 
silently
discarded or not. I can see reasons for both arguments, but given that we've 
also talked
about fbl reports back to the discardable domain that seems rather circuitous 
in the
non-list case.

Mike
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