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> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Lists "BCP" draft review
> 
> See section 4.3, third paragraph:
> ,---
> 
> [ADSP] presents an additional challenge.  Per that specification,
> when a message is unsigned or the signature can no longer be
> verified, the verifier must discard the message.  There is no
> exception in the policy for a message that may have been altered by
> an MLM.  Verifiers are thus advised to honor the policy and disallow
> the message.  Furthermore, authors whose ADSP is published as
> "discardable" are advised not to send mail to MLMs as it is likely to
> be rejected by ADSP-aware recipients.  (This is discussed further in
> Section 5.3 below.)
> 
> '---
> 
> There is no MUST discard, only "encourage".

Correct, and as has been discussed on the list already, this document is 
avoiding making normative assertions.

> Secondly, there is no
> clear
> definition for discard, although it is generally understood to mean
> silently delete.

Can you point me to such a definition someplace?

> This recommendation appears to be making deliver-ability distinctions
> between "discardable" and "all", that does not exist in the ADSP
> specification.

Yes, that is precisely the problem.

> Please add a statement indicating this concept is in conflict with
> ADSP.  Such as:
> 
> ADSP is in conflict with the Message Stream concept, since An Author
> Domains Signature must match exactly with the email-address domain.

I fail to see how those two are in conflict.  ADSP works just fine to nail down 
the use of one particular message stream while leaving others less restricted.

> From a phishing perspective, advocating use of different domains, or
> sub-domains will lead to phishing being more successful, and also
> likely increase the number of attempts.
> [...]

This and the rest of it seems to be a variant of the ADSP debate, so I'm going 
to avoid replying within this thread.  It belongs in a different thread.


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