On Thursday, May 26, 2011 07:15:25 PM MH Michael Hammer (5304) wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:ietf-dkim-
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Kitterman
> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:07 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] MLMs and signatures again
> > 
> > On Thursday, May 26, 2011 03:21:19 PM Steve Atkins wrote:
> > > If the reputation of the MLM is poor enough that mail from it is not
> > > being
> > > delivered, trumping that with an authors reputation may get
> > > individual
> > > emails delivered - but not threads, so it doesn't really improve the
> > > value
> > > provided to the recipient (it probably decreases it - a mailing list
> > > that
> > > delivers one in ten posts to my inbox is less useful than one that
> > > delivers none at all).
> > 
> > I think this has it rather backwards.  If mail From (body From) a
> > certain
> > domain arrives 999 time with a valid DKIM signature and on the 1,000th
> > time it
> > arrives with either no signature or a broken one, then that's a
> > negative
> > anomaly in the mail stream that receivers are quite likely to take
> > notice of.
> > While ADSP is the public whipping boy for this, there are plenty of
> > private
> > efforts based on doing exactly this.
> > 
> > The question isn't do I trust the ML or not.  For domains with a non-
> > trivial
> > number of users the overall mail system will have no idea about what
> > ML should
> > be trusted or not.  The question is how harshly do I treat this
> > message based
> > on the lack of a good signature.
> > 
> > Scott K
> 
> The other piece of the equation is how often do I see abusive mail
> purporting to be from this domain with no signature while mail from this
> domain that is normally signed has no significant problems.

True.  That could be a factor as well.  

Scott K
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