On 9/11/13 6:15 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> I also agree with this proposal.  I don't have much to add over the text in 
> the formal request; it lays out the case based on my experience 
> implementing DKIM and ADSP in open source.  I can also say that I have never 
> encountered an operation that actively uses it, including current and 
> previous employers.

It doesn't help that ADSP's author actively wanted to subvert it.

As far as I can tell, DMARC is warmed over ADSP with a different set of 
participants
to claim credit for their original ideas.

Mike

>
> -MSK
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Terry Zink <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with this proposal.
>
>     -- Terry
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker
>     Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:52 PM
>     To: DKIM IETF WG; Apps Discuss
>     Subject: [apps-discuss] Fwd: Request to move RFC 5617 (ADSP) to Historic
>
>     Folks,
>
>     Barry has agreed to sponsor the enclosed status change.
>
>     He would like to see discussion formal request.
>
>     (If you've already responded to my /in/formal query earlier today on the 
> dmarc@ietf list, please now lodge any formal comments you wish to make
>     on either of the two lists here.
>
>     d/
>
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: Request to move RFC 5617 (ADSP) to Historic
>     Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:09:14 -0700
>     From: Dave Crocker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
>     To: Barry Leiba <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>,  Pete Resnick 
> <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>>
>
>     Folks,
>
>     This is a formal request, to have DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) 
> Author Domain Signing Practices (ADSP) (RFC 5617) moved to Historic status.
>
>     It has garnered almost no deployment and use, in the 4 years since its 
> advancement to IETF Proposed Standard.
>
>     In addition, newer work, DMARC, covers the same general email functional 
> area and already has garnered quite a bit of deployment and use. Hence
>     it will clarify things for the marketplace to remove standards status 
> from the apparently-competing, but actually-useless ADSP specification.
>
>     Today I sent a query to the MAAWG Technical committee and the IETF DMARC 
> mailing lists, to assess support for the status change. Within only a
>     few hours, I've already seen quite a few +1s, and no -1s.
>
>     Thanks.
>
>
>     d/
>
>     --
>     Dave Crocker
>     Brandenburg InternetWorking
>     bbiw.net <http://bbiw.net>
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