I would think that archive.org would do the job if we asked them to?
Else, this is a natural for a grant...
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> Thus spake "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I have just run into an example of this (POISSON) when I was unable to
> > find the archive. I was surprised -- and puzzled. Surely the storage
> > costs for archiving ALL IETF lists, especially in their spamless form,
> > can't be that great? What sort of volume are we talking about ?
>
> Depends on the list; the main IETF list is over 1.5MB/mo in my personal
> archives. Given that the WG lists are maintained by volunteers, it would be
> a significant cost to provide several years of archives out of the list
> maintainer's pocket, especially when you add in the trolls and spam which
> are not part of the list's relevant content.
>
> > > 2. The volume of spam in a bounced-messages archive would quickly
> > > change your mind.
> >
> > Here, you could well be right. But would that have to be held beyond the
> > life of the group?
>
> If you consider the bounced messages to be legitimate content worth
> archiving, then their archive should be kept as long as the non-bounced
> archive.
>
> > > 3. All of this would be easily solved by someone (e.g. IETF
> secretariat)
> > > providing list service for all WGs with a consistent policy.
> >
> > Agree. But I'd like to also suggest that part of this policy is keeping
> > the (unspammed) archives around, if only for the sake of people (like
> > me) who try sometimes to write the history of decision-making in some
> > of these areas.
>
> I agree. I've petitioned several times for centralized lists and archives,
> and have even offerred to provide them free to all WGs, but so far the IESG
> has taken no action. My guess is there's nobody we all trust to be such a
> central manager -- right now one of the IESG members is being accused of
> list mismanagement.
>
> S
>
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