On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:12:24 +0200
 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In Las Vegas I waited 8 hours in the security queue last time to return back
> to my home. Of course the flights already departed and as it was not a fault
> of the company, I needed to buy a new ticket, no refund and of course, I
> don't think the US government will pay for it, right ?.

Did they have slot machines conveniently placed so you can play them in queue ? 
(They do at baggage
claim, which also frequently causes hour + waits.)

Things can also be very bad getting into Xanadu.

The last time I went to Las Vegas (for the NAB, about 80,000 attendees) 
I took a 6:00 AM flight out from DC,
arrived before the rush, and it only took me about 2 hours to get into my hotel 
room
from the airport, maybe 2 km away. My collegues left later in the day, and it 
took them almost 6
hours, including a 2 hour wait out in the afternoon Sun for a cab from the 
airport and a 2 hour wait
to check into the hotel.

IMHO, the IETF is about two orders of magnitude too small to need Las Vegas. 
Don't do it.

Regards,
Marshall

> 
> I don't think is acceptable, unless there is a commitment from the US
> authorities to avoid this type of unfair situations.
> 
> Mexico is already in the queue to be considered and there are some other
> locations in South and Central America which offered to host it.
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > De: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Fecha: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:52:50 -0700
> > Para: shogunx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
> > Asunto: RE: Meeting Locations
> > 
> > Las Vegas has ridiculously cheap air fares, large amounts of cheap
> > accomodation and many hotels that have the necessary conference
> > infrastructure.
> > 
> > Cancun and Acapulco are even cheaper.
> > 
> > The Mexico option has the considerable advantage that non-US visitors do
> > not get insulted at the border by either US-Visit or the often
> > threatened visa requirements for countries that do not issue biometric
> > passports.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >> Behalf Of shogunx
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:03 PM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: Meeting Locations
> >> 
> >> 
> >> How about Daytona Beach?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >> 
> >>>>>>>> "Jeffrey" == Jeffrey Hutzelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>> 
> >>>     Jeffrey> On Thursday, July 14, 2005 08:50:16 PM -0700
> >>>     Jeffrey> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>> Anyone want to bet on Minneapolis - Its March after all.
> >>> 
> >>>     Jeffrey> Sounds good to me.
> >>> 
> >>> Me too.
> >>> 
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