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From: "Nicholas Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Livingood, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Nicholas Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <ietf@ietf.org>; "Soininen Jonne 
(NSN FI/Espoo)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is 
USAqualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?


> 
> On Nov 18, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> 
>> I recall stats from IETF 71 (which may be out of date).  I believe at
>> that time, 48% of attendees were from the U.S.  Next was Japan with  
>> 9%,
>> then China with 5.7%.  If I recall correctly, this was a good number  
>> of
>> attendees from China, but I do not know how that compared to IETF 72  
>> or
>> to IETF 73.  Is the visa issue for visitors from all countries  
>> coming to
>> the U.S., or is this specific to Chinese citizens coming to the U.S.
>>
>> Jason
> 
> The US offers a large number in the Visa Waiver program:
> http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html
> 
> Which is basically EU + Japan + australia,

yes, sure.
all these countries are developed countries.

IETFers from developing countries are not easy to get a visa to USA.

> 
> Plus Canada under a different category.
> 
> I would bet (but have no evidence) that the visa problem is almost  
> specifically a chinese issue.
> 
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