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From: "Joel Jaeggli" <joe...@bogus.com>
To: <jordi.pa...@consulintel.es>
Cc: <ietf@ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,Sat 
07:09


> On 8/26/10 6:01 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>> Hi Henk,
>> 
>> This is the web site that was referred by the host web site for the fast
>> speed train:
>> 
>> http://www.maastrichtbrusselexpress.nl/?id=26
>> 
>> And still has the wrong information about the timing (the site has not been
>> updated since the IETF, despite the written complain done to the train
>> management and their confirmation that was not updated).
> 
> 
> Perhaps when you're done fixing the Belgian rail system you can fix the
> government as well...
> 


very interesting point.


>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Henk Uijterwaal <h...@ripe.net>
>>> Organization: RIPE NCC
>>> Reply-To: <h...@ripe.net>
>>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:08:30 +0200
>>> To: <ietf@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
>>> Sat 07:09
>>>
>>> Hi Jordi,
>>>
>>>> In a previous discussion about this it was clear that was not the Dutch
>>>> railway, but the Belgium one ... However, it was recommended to use the 
>>>> fast
>>>> train from/to Brussels, as it was faster than to Amsterdam ... Clearly was
>>>> not the case.
>>>
>>> It is a train starting in the Netherlands, the schedule published by the
>>> NS on their website can then be considered authoritative.
>>>
>>>> The secretariat does an on site visit. It is simple to add one more point
>>>> and question about the trains if this is going to be used by most of the
>>>> participants (as it was in this case) and actually there is not a good
>>>> international local airport.
>>>
>>> I don't remember if this question was asked or not, some of this was 
>>> discussed
>>> before I joined the IAOC.  But even if the question was asked, I don't
>>> quite see how this would have solved your problem.  3 of the IAOC members
>>> had travelled with Dutch trains beforehand and their experience was that
>>> the information on the website was 100% accurate.
>>>
>>>> And you know, in this case was quite obvious. If you ask in the train
>>>> station, as I did (unfortunately too late), they will tell you:
>>>> "Oh NO, don't believe at all at the information on the web site, it has not
>>>> been updated for ages !".
>>>
>>> This is strange, as both the NS (Dutch) and NMBS (Belgium) railways
>>> recommend to check their websites to plan a trip.   And again, I have
>>> yet to come across a case where the website different from the
>>> intention of the railway company to run a train.
>>>
>>> Henk
>>>
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