On May 9, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Eric Burger wrote: > Agreeing with John here re: it's just a bug. > > IEEE Xplore regularly does "deals" (read: free) to add publishers to the > digital library. It is part of the network effect from their perspective: if > you are more likely to get a hit using their service, you are more likely to > use the service. > > We (RFC Editor? IAOC? Me as an individual?) can approach IEEE to add the RFC > series to Xplore.
Or the IETF Trust could do this, as it falls squarely within the purpose of the Trust. Regards Marshall > > On May 9, 2011, at 1:32 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > >> >> >> --On Sunday, May 08, 2011 15:06 -0700 Bob Braden >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I just discovered an astonishing example of misinformation, >>> shall we say, in the IEEE electric power community. There is >>> an IEEE standards document C37.118, entitled (you don't care) >>> "IEEE Standard for Synchrophasors for Power Systems >>> C37-118(TM)-2005", which is currently of great importance for >>> the instrumentation of the national power grid. I just noticed >>> that it references RFC 793, and for curiosity looked to see >>> how it was referenced. I found: >>> >>> [B8] RFC 793-1981,Transmission Control Protocol DARPA >>> Internet Program Protocol Specification.[12] >>> ... >>> Now, it has always been IETF's (and even before there was an >>> IETF, Jon Postel's) policy to allow people to sell RFCs. What >>> astonishes me is that clever people in the IEEE don't know >>> RFCs are available free online. I guess RFCs remain so >>> counter-cultural that industrial types don't get it. I wonder >>> how many other IEEE standards contain similar RFC-for-pay >>> references.. >> >> Bob, >> >> What you presumably remember, but others reading this may not, >> was just how many comments Jon made about the impossibility of >> preventing fools from throwing their money away. And, of >> course, it is in the interest of Global Engineering Documents >> --which, in the era in which few folks had direct access to the >> Internet was one of the better sources for miscellaneous >> technical standards documents-- to let people continue to >> believe that they are a convenient and standard (sic) source. >> >> >> >> --On Sunday, May 08, 2011 21:26 -0400 "John R. Levine" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ... >>> This isn't an enormous project, but it requires figuring out >>> which online libraries are worth getting into, making the >>> necessary arrangements with them (which may or may not involve >>> money), a batch process to load in all the existing RFCs, and >>> arrange with the production house to ensure that each new RFC >>> gets listed as it's published. Most of these systems include >>> abstracts and forward and backward references, which will >>> doubtless require some debugging to make them work reliably. >>> >>> Like I said, it's a good project for the new RFC series >>> editor. It should be a lot easier than deciding how to put >>> Chinese names into RFCs. >> >> +1 >> >> I do note, however, that RFCs appear to be listed in ACM's Guide >> to Computing Literature (essentially part of the ACM Digital >> Library at this stage). Putting "Transmission Control Protocol" >> into the search mechanism turns up RFC 793 in a hurry. And, >> behold, they have full text available and retrieving it works >> without any charges other than the access fees for the Digital >> Library itself. "RFC Editor" is even on their list of >> publishers for search purposes. >> >> The problem is that the titles they index do not contain the RFC >> numbers, so looking up "RFC793" or "RFC 793". That is not a >> decision to avoid indexing the series (which would require the >> process John outlines to reverse) but a bug. I have filed a >> bug report as Digital Library feedback. >> >> john >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
