On May 10, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 5/10/12 9:32 AM, Martin Rex wrote: >> There has never been a need to actively broadcast these massive amounts >> of personally identifiable information (PII), and I haven't seen any >> convincing rationale for doing it now. > > To be honest, "I don't want to receive more spam" and "My boss might > find out I skipped a session" are not reasons not to be open about > who's participating in sessions, particularly as we drift towards a > meetings/voting model. I understand sensitivity about broadcasting > travel plans but in general some of the arguments being offered for > being a less open organization with a less open process are drifting > into "The FBI implanted a radio transmitter in my teeth" territory, > and it seems to me that making blue sheets available after meetings > does not reveal much PII beyond what's already available on the mailing > lists.
Oh dear, oh dear oh dear…. I've been trying hard to stay out of this discussion, but finally cannot anymore… I fully agree with Melinda here -- if you are active in the IETF (or even if you aren't), you email address is already known to the spammers. Our lists, and list archives are all public -- if you think that you are important enough that spammers would download and OCR blue sheets to get your address, you are A: out of touch with the current spam model and / or b: believe that you are much more important than you really are... If you are concerned that your bossman might figure out that you skipped a session -- well, here's an idea, actually two: 1: work somewhere where you manager trusts you enough to do what's in the best interests of the organization (and then do so) and / or 2: attend the friggin' sessions. Presumably you flew half way round the world to participate, not to drink espressos in some new and exotic city. For the record: 1: My email addresses are war...@kumari.net, wkum...@google.com, wkum...@gmail.com, war...@snozzages.com and ... 2: I was sitting in seat 3A in room 243 at 15:25 on TUESDAY, March 27, 2012. I cannot remember what I was wearing, but it probably involved a t-shirt, sandals and some kind of hat. When you invent a time machines and travel back, you should be able to find me there.. 3: I didn't attend a single session on Afternoon Session I, WEDNESDAY, March 28, 2012 (I feel that I have gotten much much rantier than intended, but, oh well…) W [0]: and mailman's super secure s/war...@kumari.net/warren at kumari.net/ was figured out a long time ago! > > There's a serious question here about tradeoffs between privacy and > openness. Openness is not just a core institutional value (although > it is one - do not forget that), but it's also a defense against > charges of collusion, which, unfortunately, we've been seeing. > > Melinda >
