>Feh. There is no winter in Vancouver. On the other hand there are >salmon and steelhead.
I distinctly remember a meeting in Vancouver where certain attendees were complaining about the winter weather, with temperatures plunging below zero* and snow drifting 1 to 2*. The specific complaint was that this made it uncomfortable to wear sandals. R's, John * - we're engineers, that would be celsius and centimetres
