Without agreeing with or disagreeing with Pete, I'll point out that Pete was talking about IETF last call. It's perfectly reasonable for a WG participant who has been actively involved to say, "This one is ready. Ship it," and Pete isn't saying otherwise. In that case there is context that helps.
Barry On Wednesday, June 12, 2013, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > >From: Ted Lemon <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > >Sent: Jun 12, 2013 12:42 PM > >To: Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > >Cc: "<[email protected] <javascript:;>>" < > [email protected] <javascript:;>>, Alexey Melnikov < > [email protected] <javascript:;>>, Pete Resnick < > [email protected] <javascript:;>>, "[email protected] > <javascript:;>Discussion" < > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > >Subject: Re: Content-free Last Call comments > > > >On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Peter Saint-Andre > ><[email protected]<javascript:;>> > wrote: > >> I think these messages are useless, not harmful. But perhaps I have > >> more confidence in the inherent skepticism of your average IETF > >> participant than Pete does... > > > >FWIW, until I read Pete's document on consensus, I thought that +1 > >statements were part of the consensus process. This was not a > >strongly held opinion—it was just my understanding of how > >consensus operated, from having watched other working group > >chairs run their working groups. I think the point Pete is > >making is very important, because the consensus process Pete > >describes is more in keeping with how I think the IETF ought > >to operate than the process in which +1 counts for something. > ... > > As a former WG chair who's had to deal with some very rough > consensus calls... > > Not "counting" a "+1" is more consistent with a classical definition > of consensus. But, particularly at a WG level (less so, perhaps, > at the IETF level) "+1" is very helpful in determining whether > the previously mentioned "Abilene Paradox" should be of concern. > > Randy >
