hi, i didn't know that this group actually had a mailing etiquette(which somehow was not hosted on its own group). but in any case i accept my mistake if anyone actually faced any kind of trouble reading my mail. now lets get back to real issues.
1. why do we organise a workshop? in my humble sense its to help people to do things which initially they seem incapable to do. now if we talk about GNU it actually started as a community driven initiative. Richard Stallman says he actually wanted to reach people and make them aware of the kind of system they were using. now when he say people i interpret that as not just computer intellectuals but even the starters or the confused. so during workshop it is our aim to get these people on board(at least i aim that) and help them use LINUX or FOSS. | > Please do not confuse fancy GUI with user-friendliness. They are two > different things. > > As a newbie it is *essential* to learn to use the console, since it is > a very powerful interface. For example, when working with remote > servers on low bandwidth (in India), you can get remote desktops on X, > but, it will be terribly slow to use it. From the console, you can > control so many servers! > > This is also the reason why learning to use buffer-based editors (like > vim, GNU Emacs) is important if you want to change remote > configuration files, for example. \- 2. i really don't understand what you mean when you say "They are two different things." because as far as my knowledge is concerned (without making any comparisons) GUI was adopted and now is a de facto standard of ALMOST ALL if not all OSs and software because it was more user friendly.now as far bandwidth is concerned i believe we were talking about DELHI and not pan INDIA workshops.as far as your concern for console is concerned i agree with you that user need to learn to use console. but what i meant if you read my previous mail when i said "as people are more used to GUI so we can teach them to use new solutions which are more graphic friendly.that is how they will get attracted. because it seems so vague y anyone (a newbie) would like to use something which initially seems so complicated( referring to CUI)." was that its more easy to teach people a GUI interface as we save time on explaining them each and every command that are to be used including their parameters. and i don't know why but believe the world they are more in GUI now.and as far as vim and Emacs are concerned they will only be used if people start using LINUX or other UNIX derivatives. because i don't know if it hits you or not but despite being a safer and secure alternative and a market leader in web servers LINUX PC penetration is not very significant when if compared to windows and to somewhat to a lesser extent with OSX(which incidentally is a UNIX at core with amazing GUI). --- > Users should post their queries to the list and discuss during regular > monthly or unconference meet-ups. Spoon-feeding should be stopped. > > --- now here lies the problem a USER can post the query or can find a solution all by themselves for there is plenty and plenty of help and support out there on Internet.and they are there as they were then in 90's during the genesis of LINUX. workshop are for people who are either not sure how ot START using it or either reluctant for some or the other reason.if that means spoon-feeding to you so be it then i would assume what ever have been taught to us both by our teachers or the world have been spoon fed. and if we are comfortable doing what they fed us then why not replicate the same model.i would again quote from the previous mail "our parents only taught us how to walk... we started running our own.... so now when we are in a position to do something like that lets do it from the basic level." .i don't know if you ever had a thought or not but today the world use binary packages(.rpm ,.deb etc) more than they use source code to install a software or may be why something like UBUNTU is more popular than the rest of Linux derivatives. and i do understand its good to be critical but its better to be introspective because in that case if we don't understand each other we will at least understand ourselves. Note: please try watching REVOLUTION OS(documentry) where LUGs are shown helping people install LINUX on their system. and what Richard Stallman has to say about GNU. -- sumit --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Do you have another question? Click here - http://groups.google.com/group/iitdlug/post l...@iitd community mailing list -- http://groups.google.com/group/iitdlug -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
