It was great to meet with Indranil, Shanker and Soumit last week while I
was in Calcutta. Great to put faces to the names I have been reading.
Just a few other quick comments:
Tathagata Banerjee,
Don't ever feel that a meeting is always for "Guru's" and thus you
should feel intimidated or not invited. While I wish I knew my schedule
better and thus could have met more people, I do want to mention that my
'claim to fame' is political and not technical. While we did speak about
languages (spoken, interpreted and compiled, and pipelined ;-), I was
clearly out-tech'ed during much of the discussions.
When it came to politics,the GPL, validity of Intellectual property (and
whether the "American Dream" of owning something big and living off of
royalties applies to more than a few hundred people worldwide, none of
which will live in India...), then I am in my element.
Shanker,
Noticed your note onthe 2.4.0 kernel. Guess they didn't wait til
Republic day this time:
http://russell.flora.org/india/republic-linux.html
Since writing that page in January 1999 I believe even stronger that
there is a battle for independance being fought in India in relation to
the new post-industrial economy and the Western (primarily US Intellectual
Property/Monopoly owners) attempt to own it. Fighting against Bio-piracy
and other forms of Intellectual Monopoly is as important to the
independance of India (and other countries) as the historical dates that
Independance Day and Republic day represent.
Some thoughts to spawn a debate: I don't think a "VI vs Emacs" would be
all that interesting to anyone ;-)
"Capitalism and Communism, as we have seen implimented, both have the
same fatal flaw: they both give rewards/payment to people who do not have
to contribute or otherwise earn it". In this I suggest that payment by
royalty or rent (IE: payment based on property, intellecual or otherwise)
is about as legitimate way to "earn a living" than winning the lottery.
The GPL, contrary to those who want to place it under communism,
represents an opposition to both of these political systems. It assumes
that people need to earn their money in a free market of services, not in
a protectionist property/product based system.
Careful talking about Free Markets to Westerners as most have never
experienced a market leave alone a liberated one. We here have this
concept called a "Supermarket" where multiple chain stores have
fixed-prices set centrally (IE: There is an Office in Toronto that sets
food prices for all of the thousands of Lablaws stores throughout Canada).
Even the western stock market has considerable government protection and
bailouts and thus is not a true Free Market.
Happy New Year!!
And forwarded at the end is a final FYI for anyone who didn't already
know.
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Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://russell.flora.org/work/>
Back in Ottawa and catching up on Email from after trip to India.
Replies to some email may be slow.
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Subject: [IRR] Announcing Cypherpunks-India
***Please circulate to all interested parties***
This is to announce the Cypherpunks-India mailing list. The list is
for cypherpunks in India, and for those who want to track the
convergence of cryptography, politics and society here.
As you know, I volunteered to organise cypherpunks fleshmeets in
Bangalore a few months ago. We had an initial meet with some hoopla,
along with the Linux-India monthly meet in Bangalore. Public
meetings, however, have not happened since then (as opposed to the
private meetings and interactions - you know who you are.). It's been
difficult co-ordinating with people, who are mostly madly busy and
geographically distributed throughout India. This list, therefore, is
a first step towards giving some structure to the various
behind-the-scenes interactions we've been having, and to spread
awareness of crypto and how it impacts commerce and politics today.
The list is kindly hosted by Vipul Ved Prakash, who needs no
introduction to crypto observers here. Vipul also hosts
http://munitions.vipul.net - which is an archive of crypto software
that is mirrored across multiple locations. Vipul also was one of the
finalists in the 3rd Annual Obfuscated Perl Contest with his
dimunitive implementation of the Russian GOST algorithm.
To subscribe, use any ONE of the following URLs:
<http://lists.vipul.net/mailman/listinfo/cpunks-india>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe>
In the next few days, as things evolve, we will put up some more
information at the URLs above.
Thanks for all your support, and see you on the list!
Udhay
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God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up.
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