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I apologize if, in the opinion of the readers, I
reacted too harshly -
though I do not think so.
It may have been misdirected against the individual,
as I do not know him
personally - but the wordings of the posts - even if
they mimiced
headlines - were getting progressively closer to that
of those, both here
and in India, who have other axes to grind. I
genuinely believe that "OT"s,
atleast this OT should be discontinued on this list.
My percived vehemence is perhaps, due to the disonance
between those who are
many thousands of miles from the incedent and one who
was in the basement of
the building less than 10 minutes before it collapsed.
I attribute my
survival to sheer luck or an act of God, if such
things exist. I went to
donate blood later but was turned away as there was
not that many live
victims.
I have worked for more than 7 years at 101 Church
Street - one building over
from WTC. I have lived across the river from the WTC
for many years longer
and have passed through it many 100s of times. I have
at least two very
good friends who have not replied to emails and are
not repying to mobile
phone calls. I personally know at least a hundred
persons who work in the
area.
Today, the day after the incident, I walked to the
river - the edge was
sealed off by police and firemen - they were ferrying
victims, mostly
bodies, from the wreckage across the river. Smoke is
still rising from the
great void were the two huge building stood. A single
large twisted steel
structure, 10-11 stories could be seen from this side.
Below was what
looked like a 6 story high pile of rubble - the
remains of the towers and
the other buildings that continue to tumble. It
looked, with the wafting
smoke, more like the set of a amature theater
production or a cheap movie
set than anything real.
I cannot say whether I "liked" the buildings while
they stood. But I still
find it impossible to accept that they are gone.
So, please let us drop the topic here.
Anyone wishing to continue a discourse may write me
directly at
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Goodbye
Raja
p.s. : while the major TV channels are doing a fairly
responsible job - many
of the radio stations - (and perhaps the some of the
more sensationalist TV
channels) - are repeadedly broadcasting news of
"arab"(sorry, I could'nt
help it, for one more time) jubilations
----- Original Message -----
From: "Indranil Das Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:16 AM
Subject: ADMIN -- Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under
attack
> To Raja (and others)
>
> A few of things:
>
> 1. You are absolutely right that this is indeed
> OFF-TOPIC as far as this list is concerned. W.R.T to
> our list policies, occasional OT postings are OK so
> long as the {OT} prefix is added to the subject
line.
>
> 2. I had noted the OFF-TOPICness of the topic in the
> very first post to this thread, but keeping in mind
> the extraordinary circumstances, I had preferred to
> say nothing and simply keep a watch on the
> developments.
>
> 3. Your attack has been against a member of the LUG
> who on numerous occassions has made significant
> contributions to this community, mostly by openly
> sharing his knowledge and expertise with everyone.
Not
> that being all that puts him beyond reproach, except
> that you have interpreted Arup's post entirely
> out-of-context, and have posted a reply of rather
> immoderate language. I find it unnecessary,
nitpicking
> and combative, and of a tone we could all have done
> without.
>
> 4. For nearly 2.75 years I have served this
community
> as its ListAdmin by the general approval of the
> members. Till date no one has ever complained about
my
> style of functioning (or lack thereof) or that I
don't
> know my job. I have seen this list grow from just 3
> members to the present 150+ As the ListAdmin, it is
my
> job to stop a thread from spiralling out of control.
> And I have had stepped in a number of times in the
> past to do just that. Therefore, if you feel that
I'm
> not doing my job or is incapable of handling it,
> please be polite enough to say that openly on the
> list, rather than approach the matter in the covert
> way which i feel you have chosen to adopt (w.r.t
your
> statement marked "iv").
>
> --ListAdmin.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raja Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under attack
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arup Kanjilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under attack
> >
> >
> > > Last heard, the president has declared this to
be
> an
> > > act of war, which implies that the retaliation
may
> be
> > > war. From what I heard today, the hijackers were
> > > arabs.
> >
> > Please - there is enough ignorance and hate
> mongering in this country
> > already without your adding to it.
> >
> > Your bias or your ignorance of the situation here
as
> well as in the politics
> > of this extreme tragedy is obvious from the the
text
> of your message.
> >
> > i) please capitalize "arabs"
> >
> > ii) "arabs" includes several 100 millions of
people
> from 10s of different
> > countries, from 2 different continents (aside from
> the worldwide diaspora),
> > of at least 3 different "races", following at
least
> 3 different religions;
> > the entire sum total of hijackers, including those
> who plannned and financed
> > it must number at 20 or 30 - thus to say "arabs"
did
> it almost the same as
> > saying "some people did it" i.e. a statement whose
> information value (as
> > opposed to hysterical, accusative value) is
minimal
> to non-existant - hence
> > not worth making, - other than to whet one's bias
> and hatered - especially
> > on a public forum.
> >
> > iii) you possibly do not have experience of
having
> lived in the US
> > especially in times like this but you should
realize
> that most - say 80% -
> > Americans cannot distinguish between "arabs" and
> Indians (not indians) and
> > do not care to - like angry children they simply
> want to lashout at
> > something, anything that in there minds resemble
the
> "enemy" even slightly.
> > It matters not if they victims of this hatred are
> not even remotely related
> > to the issue.
> >
> > So all Indians who live here and feel safe because
> we are not "arabs" should
> > think twice and thrice and take the same
precautions
> as if we _were_
> > "arabs". I speak from experience - having lived
> through the Iran hostage
> > crisis and the first few days of the Oklohoma
> bombing. I do need to mention
> > that there is a high degree of effort from police
> and other officials to
> > prevent lynchings and harassment against all
> residents here.
> >
> > iv) finally, this is a forum for discussing
> technical matters specifically
> > relating to the Linux OS and its use in Kolkata -
> not a forum for any other
> > information. Let us keep it that way. I am
writing
> this in an attempt to
> > put an end to this thread here and will NOT
respond
> to any replies.
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Hate to see this trigger yet another war.
> > >
> >
> > yes so do I - especially a misdirected war that
will
> bring in its wake more
> > similar tragedies. Remember that is is most
likely
> a reaction from a group
> > who came into existance from CIA funding.
> >
> > Of course, that is NOT a justtification by any
means
> - that is not the
> > point - somehow even our leaders here are unable
to
> detach themselves enough
> > to think about how to prevent similar incedents in
> the future rather that to
> > give vent to knee-jerk jingoistic reactions or to
> their perceptions of such
> > popular demands.
> >
> > Besides who will they "fight". Afganistan has NO
> places left that has not
> > been bombed 20 times over first by the Soviets and
> then by themselves. They
> > were reduced to shelling 2000 year old statues
> recently !
> >
> > > Arup
> > >
> > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Believe me - The mood is pretty ugly here. I
> live
> > > > nearby, in New Jersey
> > > > where a lot of folks commute to or from NY for
> work.
> > > > Yesterday all the
> > > > nearby churches were overflowing with services
> for
> > > > those who have been
> > > > identified. God knows what the final toll will
> be.
> > > > The only planes in the
> > > > sky from 10AM local time ( Around the time the
> last
> > > > plane crashed - it took
> > > > off from Newark NJ ) were F-16. Collegues
whose
> > > > relatives are in the air
> > > > force have told us that they have been put on
> War
> > > > alert.Something big is
> > > > brewing.
> > > > Shanker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Arup
> > > > Kanjilal wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Don't know how many of you have been
following
> the
> > > > > terrorist attacks here in the US. Saw the
> footage
> > > > > today morning and it was pretty shocking. We
> had
> > > > the
> > > > > day off from work (unheard of in a startup -
> > > > therefore
> > > > > you can estimate how big this is), and while
> going
> > > > > home, the scariest part was that there
wasn't
> an
> > > > > airplane in the sky. Normally in these
parts,
> you
> > > > get
> > > > > to see about 6 - 8 in the sky at a time, all
> day,
> > > > all
> > > > > night.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Americans are pissed as hell, and the
> whiplash
> > > > > against the Arabs has already started - the
> sad
> > > > part
> > > > > is that the Arabs are going to be the
> scapegoat
> > > > for
> > > > > this till the actual culprits are found. And
> god
> > > > save
> > > > > them if they're the ones really responsible
> for
> > > > this
> > > > > stunt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ppl have said that this is bigger than Pear
> > > > Harbour -
> > > > > which is a pretty sore spot in American
> history.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really wonder who proved what by doing
> something
> > > > like
> > > > > this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Arup
> > > > >
>
>
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