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And my apologies to Indranil also.
Raja
----- Original Message -----
From: "Indranil Das Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:16 AM
Subject: ADMIN -- Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under
attack
> To Raja (and others)
>
> A few of things:
>
> 1. You are absolutely right that this is indeed
> OFF-TOPIC as far as this list is concerned. W.R.T to
> our list policies, occasional OT postings are OK so
> long as the {OT} prefix is added to the subject
line.
>
> 2. I had noted the OFF-TOPICness of the topic in the
> very first post to this thread, but keeping in mind
> the extraordinary circumstances, I had preferred to
> say nothing and simply keep a watch on the
> developments.
>
> 3. Your attack has been against a member of the LUG
> who on numerous occassions has made significant
> contributions to this community, mostly by openly
> sharing his knowledge and expertise with everyone.
Not
> that being all that puts him beyond reproach, except
> that you have interpreted Arup's post entirely
> out-of-context, and have posted a reply of rather
> immoderate language. I find it unnecessary,
nitpicking
> and combative, and of a tone we could all have done
> without.
>
> 4. For nearly 2.75 years I have served this
community
> as its ListAdmin by the general approval of the
> members. Till date no one has ever complained about
my
> style of functioning (or lack thereof) or that I
don't
> know my job. I have seen this list grow from just 3
> members to the present 150+ As the ListAdmin, it is
my
> job to stop a thread from spiralling out of control.
> And I have had stepped in a number of times in the
> past to do just that. Therefore, if you feel that
I'm
> not doing my job or is incapable of handling it,
> please be polite enough to say that openly on the
> list, rather than approach the matter in the covert
> way which i feel you have chosen to adopt (w.r.t
your
> statement marked "iv").
>
> --ListAdmin.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raja Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under attack
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arup Kanjilal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ilug-cal] OT-America under attack
> >
> >
> > > Last heard, the president has declared this to
be
> an
> > > act of war, which implies that the retaliation
may
> be
> > > war. From what I heard today, the hijackers were
> > > arabs.
> >
> > Please - there is enough ignorance and hate
> mongering in this country
> > already without your adding to it.
> >
> > Your bias or your ignorance of the situation here
as
> well as in the politics
> > of this extreme tragedy is obvious from the the
text
> of your message.
> >
> > i) please capitalize "arabs"
> >
> > ii) "arabs" includes several 100 millions of
people
> from 10s of different
> > countries, from 2 different continents (aside from
> the worldwide diaspora),
> > of at least 3 different "races", following at
least
> 3 different religions;
> > the entire sum total of hijackers, including those
> who plannned and financed
> > it must number at 20 or 30 - thus to say "arabs"
did
> it almost the same as
> > saying "some people did it" i.e. a statement whose
> information value (as
> > opposed to hysterical, accusative value) is
minimal
> to non-existant - hence
> > not worth making, - other than to whet one's bias
> and hatered - especially
> > on a public forum.
> >
> > iii) you possibly do not have experience of
having
> lived in the US
> > especially in times like this but you should
realize
> that most - say 80% -
> > Americans cannot distinguish between "arabs" and
> Indians (not indians) and
> > do not care to - like angry children they simply
> want to lashout at
> > something, anything that in there minds resemble
the
> "enemy" even slightly.
> > It matters not if they victims of this hatred are
> not even remotely related
> > to the issue.
> >
> > So all Indians who live here and feel safe because
> we are not "arabs" should
> > think twice and thrice and take the same
precautions
> as if we _were_
> > "arabs". I speak from experience - having lived
> through the Iran hostage
> > crisis and the first few days of the Oklohoma
> bombing. I do need to mention
> > that there is a high degree of effort from police
> and other officials to
> > prevent lynchings and harassment against all
> residents here.
> >
> > iv) finally, this is a forum for discussing
> technical matters specifically
> > relating to the Linux OS and its use in Kolkata -
> not a forum for any other
> > information. Let us keep it that way. I am
writing
> this in an attempt to
> > put an end to this thread here and will NOT
respond
> to any replies.
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Hate to see this trigger yet another war.
> > >
> >
> > yes so do I - especially a misdirected war that
will
> bring in its wake more
> > similar tragedies. Remember that is is most
likely
> a reaction from a group
> > who came into existance from CIA funding.
> >
> > Of course, that is NOT a justtification by any
means
> - that is not the
> > point - somehow even our leaders here are unable
to
> detach themselves enough
> > to think about how to prevent similar incedents in
> the future rather that to
> > give vent to knee-jerk jingoistic reactions or to
> their perceptions of such
> > popular demands.
> >
> > Besides who will they "fight". Afganistan has NO
> places left that has not
> > been bombed 20 times over first by the Soviets and
> then by themselves. They
> > were reduced to shelling 2000 year old statues
> recently !
> >
> > > Arup
> > >
> > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Believe me - The mood is pretty ugly here. I
> live
> > > > nearby, in New Jersey
> > > > where a lot of folks commute to or from NY for
> work.
> > > > Yesterday all the
> > > > nearby churches were overflowing with services
> for
> > > > those who have been
> > > > identified. God knows what the final toll will
> be.
> > > > The only planes in the
> > > > sky from 10AM local time ( Around the time the
> last
> > > > plane crashed - it took
> > > > off from Newark NJ ) were F-16. Collegues
whose
> > > > relatives are in the air
> > > > force have told us that they have been put on
> War
> > > > alert.Something big is
> > > > brewing.
> > > > Shanker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Arup
> > > > Kanjilal wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Don't know how many of you have been
following
> the
> > > > > terrorist attacks here in the US. Saw the
> footage
> > > > > today morning and it was pretty shocking. We
> had
> > > > the
> > > > > day off from work (unheard of in a startup -
> > > > therefore
> > > > > you can estimate how big this is), and while
> going
> > > > > home, the scariest part was that there
wasn't
> an
> > > > > airplane in the sky. Normally in these
parts,
> you
> > > > get
> > > > > to see about 6 - 8 in the sky at a time, all
> day,
> > > > all
> > > > > night.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Americans are pissed as hell, and the
> whiplash
> > > > > against the Arabs has already started - the
> sad
> > > > part
> > > > > is that the Arabs are going to be the
> scapegoat
> > > > for
> > > > > this till the actual culprits are found. And
> god
> > > > save
> > > > > them if they're the ones really responsible
> for
> > > > this
> > > > > stunt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ppl have said that this is bigger than Pear
> > > > Harbour -
> > > > > which is a pretty sore spot in American
> history.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really wonder who proved what by doing
> something
> > > > like
> > > > > this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Arup
> > > > >
>
>
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