-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Rahul Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Choice of OS [Was - RE: [JUG-Delhi] are we meeting on Saturday ?] > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:54:26 +0530 > > Well folks. we met this Sunday in the midst of a Linux user group > meeting (which was fine with me since i am a linux guy as well). > > However ,there were only about 4 of us (as against some 60+ linux guys). > We felt lets try to meet again in January - hopeully get 10 person > together. > > Manpreet > i did look at that article on Saturday. I guess linux is more for > developers than end users. however, in the last few years i have yet to > come across one developer who users linux on his desktop (i include > java/c and c++) developers who deploy on linux and solaris). > > This surprises me since learning Unix is really a one time thing, like > learning how to drive a car or swim. after that you control your way of > working, rather than being at the mercy of, say, public transport (for > example). > I spent a few days learning unix and vi and shell scripting some 13 > years ago. Ever since, i've been only getting better and more > productive. On windows i feel like a day-one end-user forever. > > I dont think i agree with people who feel that theres this snobbery > about linux, or that it makes you look more intelligent becos its more > difficult or cryptic. > Take the Mac. The Mac is a also a highly user friendly environment, and > yet, it too enjoys an almost religious following. People love their macs > just as we love our linux. > Come to think of it, even Solaris or other unices never had that kind of > "brotherhood" about them, that i have seen in Linux. I wouldnt have > spent my Sunday evening yesterday to meet some Solaris users. > > I recently read another article recently, maybe on slashdot. it talks of > the creativity on linux or unix. if you look at a windows programmers > machine, i doubt that he would customize it to behave the way he wants. > Yet, i have with scripts/crons etc customized each software, and the > machine itself to be (u might say) an extension of myself (at the > expense of sounding pompous/crazy/whatever). > Yes, there is definitely a creativity that linux/unix gives you. > > Some things come to mind as to what makes linux even more likable than > say Solaris. Solaris has never bothered to update its commands/options > over the years. Linux has made it commands more usable. One example is > the "h" option of df or ls. also In commercial environments you often > have to live with bugs until the next release. I have also dealt with > incompetent support staff, maybe becos noones passionate about those > OS'es. In many cases, solaris doesnt even have the same programs - you > have to compile them for > yourself on solairs, and when you connect to many solaris machines > (without an su password), then this can be an issue. e.g., I cant always keep > installing bash (or ncftp or lynx) everytime i telnet to a sun machine ! > > By now i doubt that anyones reading so i'll shut off. But hope we guys > can gettogether soon !! > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:17:45PM +0530, Manpreet Singh wrote: > > From: "Manpreet Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Choice of OS [Was - RE: [JUG-Delhi] are we meeting on Saturday ?] > > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:17:45 +0530 > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hi, > > > > Picking up from the point Rahul mentioned about choice of OS's, I would > > like to post (read spam) the group about my views over the use of OS(as > > i did sometime back on Open Source development). :) > > > > Hmm... instead of writing, I would like you guys to read this article. > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Biculturalism.html > > > > I would like to know the views of the group about it. > > > > I like working on Linux, we use Linux for all our commercial > > applications, but I have no hassles when I say that I find that > > development time increases if I work on a windoz machine, may be because > > of lack of my experience (my first experience with Unix (no Linux at > > that time) was about 10 years ago). > > > > Hope you don't pass it any Linux group, so that they start killing me by > > spamming by mailbox :) > > > > > I intend (trying to) derail :) the whole meeting with my latest pet > > > topic > > of which laptop to buy for Java development. The choices ofcourse are: > > > > I use IBM R40 Series, P4 2.2GHz/512 MB DDR/40GB using Windows XP, and it > > works well for over 3 hours. > > > > > > Best, > > Manpreet. > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SinghManpreet > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Rahul Kumar > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:57 PM > > To: Sandip Bhattacharya > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [JUG-Delhi] are we meeting on Saturday ? > > > > I intend (trying to) derail :) the whole meeting with my latest pet > > topic > > of which laptop to buy for Java development. The choices ofcourse are: > > - Linux (since i have only used linux for many years). However, they say > > battery life is bad, even with 2.6. > > - Mac !!! great ui and a unix core. Only issue is that Sun may not be > > bringing out latest JDK's etc on mac's unix and i hate to wait. > > > > Design Patterns ? When our gurus (Manpreet, Navjyot) are into > > refactoring, XP, AOP etc, why would they wanna talk about old hat like > > DP ;). > > > > Where is the meeting and do we bring food and beer or what ? > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:43:57AM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:43:57 +0530 > > > From: Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Organization: Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. > > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) > > Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 > > > To: Rahul Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [JUG-Delhi] are we meeting on Saturday ? > > > > > > Rahul Kumar wrote: > > > > > > >However, be warned ---- i have found linux people to be very > > anti-Java. > > > >So come with your helmets and bulletproof jackets, or better still > > > >pretend to be php/perl programmers and ask for Tea, not coffee :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) Hey no no! quite on the contrary there are some real strong Java > > guys > > > out there. However they lie low because other java folks are not > > > visible. Also if we warn them before time about our arrival, there > > will > > > be a few more interested ILUGD people turning up that i know who > > > ordinarily do not attend the meets because there is no programming > > focus. > > > > > > So anybody here who would like to give a talk on design patterns using > > > > > Java? :) > > > > > > - Sandip > > > > > > -- > > > Sandip Bhattacharya > > > sandip at puroga.com > > > Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. > > > http://www.puroga.com > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > regards, > > rahul kumar
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