Thanks for the responses all. Lots of threads, lots of people, I'm going to mix and match responses here. Mine begin inline, with a ==
PJ: .. I am unsure of your objection. Logically, being freed doesn't mean that you are forever free. You still run the risk of being enslaved again... == We haven't been freed. Yet. I'm not going into what happens after! Really, with all the effort there is about FOSS, it might have reduced costs and helped you with better alternatives and given you choices in what you want to use, but really, it hasn't really freed people completely. You've still got your shackles on - albeit different ones - whether it be unable to find drivers for your graphics card, or setting up a bluetooth device to "just work". Nope, we've got a long way to go before we can talk about having been freed. And perhaps the conference can embody this. The point does arise - is this Freed as in Gratis or Freed as in Libre? I think that the logo for the event should make that clear in no uncertain terms. Free as in speech or beer? (See tagline comment later on) PJ: Anyway, attend the meetings if you have an interest in the reasoning behind ilugd decisions - it's open to all GNU/Linux users, we welcome inputs, and all proposals can be questioned/modified etc... == As much as I'd like to, I find it impossible to do so, given the size of a couple of sizeable water bodies which impede my journey.. Perhaps the other thread which Gora started will help out in this case. PJ: 3. we wanted to move on from the very localised regionalism of Delhi embodied by the "del" part of "freedel". But still acknowledge our regional bias loosely. So we could hold freed in Nepal, freed in Bangalore, freed in Thailand etc. Don't forget, we have "Bangalore chapter" of ILUGD ;-) == Fair enough. And no, I don't forget - I was one of the *cough* 'founding members' :) 6. The concept of freedom is bigger than that of Linux, or even GNU/Linux to most of us. So we might push the creative commons concepts too (at least the "free" CC licences that have resulted in sites like http://www.wikipedia.com for knowledge, http://www.jamendo.com for music etc). == Hmm. So the focus is going to be towards everything free, not just software. At some point, that will want to encompass rights, DRM, and other EFF/ACLU promoted causes. Do we want to tackle that beast? I would shy away. So again, Gratis vs Libre et al. Kenneth: this is not a good idea. The Indian foss community is very allergic to anything that aspires to All India Status. First establish freedel in Delhi - that has not been done yet, then worry about going all india. One thing we have learnt in the last 10 years is that the strength of the Indian foss community is in the regional bases. We must strengthen those. == I think that most conferences which are organized today _are_ in fact through the participation of people from all over the country - foss.in or freedel. So yes, I agree that removing del from the name makes some sense. As for regional bases, now that we know (from apparently a 10 year experience) that they're strong, its time to perhaps combine them together and strengthen the national ethic? PJ: I don't know if the (constitutional type) of rules of ILUGD say that ILUGD should be about Linux rather than GNU/Linux. == Erk, lets not go down this road. There are months of threads on the list which talk about this. I'm interested in the free as in freedom part of what ILUGD is about. The impression I get is that ILUGD tends to be heavily focussed on the free as in freedom part. == Each to his own, surely? So there is indeed a religious bias in ILUGD against *BSD/windOSS/macOSS. == Interesting to see how you would draw that conclusion based on your your impressions! Bias? Not in so many words, imho. A certain itch perhaps. >> But still acknowledge our regional >> bias loosely. == Now, what exactly does that mean? PJ: Me and some others regard the extra freedom of the BSD style licences as being analogous to the granting freedom to a plantation holder to own slaves, or perhaps granting freedom to the religious authorities to burn non-believers at the stake in an auto da fé. Just because a freedom is there, doesn't mean you should seize it. Some things are immoral, even if you are free to do them. So those immoral things should be specifically restricted. == Erm. As analogies go, that has to be one of the most superfluous I've ever seen. If someone releases a license like that, they are doing so with full knowledge of what it implies. If you think its immoral, just don't use it! That option's still yours isn't it? And there are worse things out there than BSD licenses you know. Software patents perhaps. DRM. Rattlesnakes. ..a non-free platform initially. But once you have truly free alternatives available, it is wrong to promote non-free works.. == Who defines the concept of universal "Wrong" here? [Skipping Off Off OFF Topic GPL vs BSD debate] Sudev: ..dictate) would be to go with Freed as long as most (see comment on democracy) of us feel that this does represent most (see comment on democracy) of the views... == Fair enough. gora: >In my opinion, both of you have looked only at the name, and not the >associated tagline: Freedom in technology and software. == I did see that. But you see, thats the *tag line*. When you design a poster, Freed stands out. The tag line isn't exactly that visible at first pass. But anyway, I can see how that would help. Logo change incorporate this too? That way, we could aim at say, OSS or the wider version of freedom. >you guys derive the idea that the name says that what we are >talking about is a one-time thing, nor how it implies that we have >already achieved software freedom. oh I see what you mean. That we were freed in 2007? :) Not at all! Cheers, Viksit -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
