On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:14:32 +0530, Shamail Tayyab
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> This is what i consider as flame wars.
Err. I am not sure why you think so -- no one is going around
attacking other people.
> But what i think Kazim was
> trying to say was not actually what it seems, i myself is a Debian
> user from a long time, its not like defending someone, but why we
> don't look at small facts, like,
>> I need to configure glx before i can run any 3D desktop client. I
I have never had to configure glx to do anything special. What
exactly did you have to do? And what is a "3D desktop client"?
I did have t configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf, with help from
dexconf, but I consider that normal -- and I did not have to deal with
the bloatedness of Gnome or KDE, which is hard to escape, I am told, in
Ubuntu.
>> need to edit ALSA configuration to have my system defaults its sound
>> to software mixer, which is preconfigured in ubuntu.
I do not understand what defaulting sound to software mixer
means. I made sure that my kernel had my sound driver compiled as a
module, and it all worked. Even the buttons on the outside of the
laptop work, and are supported by Xorg.
I am using the Dell Precision M90 laptop with intel HD audio.
>> I need to install everything in text mode. (does anyone think a
>> novice> user had a dream the night before he installed debain, to give
> "installgui" at the boot prompt)
Well, the novice user would, if they had read the instructions.
I am not sure I have much sympathy for people who can't read the
installation instructions.
Secondly, I have no idea why X is so much better than the curses
based install; I prefer the curses, personally, since it is faster. And
I was able to install a fully encrypted partition, with LVM on top,
entirely from the install.
And, despite it all being encrypted -- it suspends to ram, and
suspends to disk, all by itself.
Try doing a fully encrypted (all but boot -- and yes, the swap
is encrypted, and still resume works) in either Fedora or Ubuntu. User
friendly, my foot.
>> I myself need to edit sources.list, <defaults to an empty file
>> in debian> to get aptitude working.
This happens not to be the case. D-I creates an sources.list.
>> Its the end of 2007, and i still log in for the first time in the
> traditional old gnome theme. Same with other desktop environments.
Thankfully, Debian allows me _not_ to log into either GNOME or
KDE. And configuring themes is an easy, one time thing; giving me the
choices I want is far more user friendly than going for eye candy by
default. Are GNIOME themese so very hard to change? I was assured that
changing themes is easy -- in which case, what does it matter what the
initial theme is?
>> One needs to download or what i did, steal bash_completion to get the
> better environment support.
What on earth are you talking about? Look at the end of the
post, as I demonstrate how loads of packages install bash_completions
automatically. Try "dlocate /etc/bash_completion"
I don't think you are talking about Debian.
> // And many of hue and tricks, which are there in distros like fedora
> // and ubuntu...
And also in Debian, from what I can tell. Try installing a
non-GNOME non-KDE desktop in Ubuntu. Hah.
> Are these things justified for a person just starting his journey
> of GNU/Linux. And answer yourself, how many of power users you have
> seen, recommending Debian for novices? Yes its true that Debian is
> providing a real stable system, but i don't think its doing much in
> terms of user-friendliness, what other trends are driving Linux
> to.... Anyhow, this is my personal opinion, maybe they want a raw
> distro!
Frankly, I think this is just plain old FUD. I think that user
friendliness has also rests in the choices offered; and the ojly users
to be friendly to are not the novice ones.
Every single thing you have said is for the distribution to make
choices on behalf og novice users -- which, BTW, is extremely
unfriendly to non-novice users.
manoj
__> dlocate /etc/bash_completion
dbs: /etc/bash_completion.d
dbs: /etc/bash_completion.d/dbs-edit-patch
reprepro: /etc/bash_completion.d
reprepro: /etc/bash_completion.d/reprepro
bash: /etc/bash_completion.d
bash: /etc/bash_completion
dpatch: /etc/bash_completion.d
dpatch: /etc/bash_completion.d/dpatch_edit_patch
stgit: /etc/bash_completion.d
stgit: /etc/bash_completion.d/stg
debtags: /etc/bash_completion.d
debtags: /etc/bash_completion.d/debtags
pbuilder: /etc/bash_completion.d
pbuilder: /etc/bash_completion.d/pbuilder
apt-file: /etc/bash_completion.d
apt-file: /etc/bash_completion.d/apt-file
inkscape: /etc/bash_completion.d
inkscape: /etc/bash_completion.d/inkscape
cdcd: /etc/bash_completion.d
cdcd: /etc/bash_completion.d/cdcd
svn-buildpackage: /etc/bash_completion.d
svn-buildpackage: /etc/bash_completion.d/svn-buildpackage
git-completion: /etc/bash_completion.d
git-completion: /etc/bash_completion.d/cg
git-completion: /etc/bash_completion.d/gitk
git-completion: /etc/bash_completion.d/git-common
debconf: /etc/bash_completion.d
debconf: /etc/bash_completion.d/debconf
debfoster: /etc/bash_completion.d
debfoster: /etc/bash_completion.d/debfoster
rake: /etc/bash_completion.d
rake: /etc/bash_completion.d/rake
quintuple-agent: /etc/bash_completion.d
quintuple-agent: /etc/bash_completion.d/quintuple-agent
xen-tools: /etc/bash_completion.d
xen-tools: /etc/bash_completion.d/xen-tools
xen-tools: /etc/bash_completion.d/xm
quilt: /etc/bash_completion.d
quilt: /etc/bash_completion.d/quilt
apache2.2-common: /etc/bash_completion.d
apache2.2-common: /etc/bash_completion.d/apache2.2-common
nmh: /etc/bash_completion.d
nmh: /etc/bash_completion.d/nmh
dput: /etc/bash_completion.d
dput: /etc/bash_completion.d/dput
surfraw: /etc/bash_completion.d
surfraw: /etc/bash_completion.d/surfraw
git-core: /etc/bash_completion.d
git-core: /etc/bash_completion.d/git
rubygems: /etc/bash_completion.d
rubygems: /etc/bash_completion.d/gem
mercurial: /etc/bash_completion.d
mercurial: /etc/bash_completion.d/mercurial
cowdancer: /etc/bash_completion.d
cowdancer: /etc/bash_completion.d/cowbuilder
jackd: /etc/bash_completion.d
jackd: /etc/bash_completion.d/jackd
subversion: /etc/bash_completion.d
subversion: /etc/bash_completion.d/subversion
openoffice.org-common: /etc/bash_completion.d
openoffice.org-common: /etc/bash_completion.d/ooffice.sh
bzr: /etc/bash_completion.d
bzr: /etc/bash_completion.d/bzr
bzr: /etc/bash_completion.d/bzr.simple
r-base-core: /etc/bash_completion.d
r-base-core: /etc/bash_completion.d/R
mpc: /etc/bash_completion.d
mpc: /etc/bash_completion.d/mpc
module-assistant: /etc/bash_completion.d
module-assistant: /etc/bash_completion.d/m-a
konwert: /etc/bash_completion.d
konwert: /etc/bash_completion.d/konwert
kernel-package: /etc/bash_completion.d
kernel-package: /etc/bash_completion.d/make_kpkg
--
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me. I'm afraid of
widths. Steven Wright
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/>
1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
_______________________________________________
ilugd mailinglist -- [email protected]
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008
Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
