Hi guys, I'm final year CS/IT engineering student from Jaypee Noida. Please find my opinions in-line.
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, narendra sisodiya > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ### When you talk about users.. Always keep in mind.. they want comfort > and > > not knowledge . Most of students are users too. > > So can you be specific about users "discomforts". Then only we can > make some thing that addresses that "discomforts" > > > ### Workshops for teacher/college prof will be very useful. > > Nice suggestion. That could be one of the target audiance. > (1) All(number is huge!) the teachers/profs are not same. For them "computer = Windows". period. (2) A student telling teachers what to do and what not to do?? Heard the word "EGO"? Its the *single-most* issue that precludes the faculty as well as their students from learning anything new. One may say, that industry professionals can come and conduct such workshops. But who will convince the management to organize it?? - Student. The chances are very bleak that they will agree to it. (3) A whole lot of curriculum is Windows dependent. What do we expect? Stop teaching the courses just for the sake of avoiding non-FOSS stuff? I think right exposure and modification is the way to go, but it is easier said than done. Most of the colleges are business units which don't really care about "what", "who" and "how" of teaching practices. Its all about "jack"(jugaad) and Placements!! > > ### There is a bootable Live Linux Gamer DVD, distributing them will make > > some more awareness. > > > For God's sake, get better games first!! There is absolutely no comparison when it comes to gaming. FOSS is nowhere near in this department. > > > 2) Slow Internet. > > ## Its almost impossible to use/update/configure Linux without Internet. > > This is a major hurdle in foss adaptation. > > Have you used the Other OS with Automatic Update ON? That will suck > out the life of best of your internet connection. :) Today most > softwares and updates are distributed on-line. Any form of removable > media is only used for initial installation of OS and some softwares. > Both points valid. But, dependence of Linux on Internet is way past imagination for a Windows user. > > > ## Putting rpm into bundle (one of the previous mail to make 'bad Linux" > for > > users who do not have Internet) can solve this problems > > That was discuss on least and majority of Gurus suggested that it does > not look very feasible. However, how about you starting some project > around that? Start small line you want to distribute development tools > on CD. Constructing such CD should not be way too difficult if you > know how major packaging systems work. > > > 3) Students > > ### Only so called Techie students from CS use Linux. Student life is > very > > fast. They are need to do many task in time bound competing environment. > > Extra effort to learn Linux and then use linux is major hurdle for Linux > and > > foss adaptation. a small fraction of students use Linux. > Seriously?? Should watching movies every alternate day in nearby mall also be included in this time bound competing environment of techie student? Its all about Grades, Grades and Grades!! If you don't have it you are not a good engineer/student. That's it, finished. Use the best of your rote memory power, get good grades and then you are "eligible" to enjoy and have fun. FOSS students generally don't end up with good grades because they invest their recreational time out of this time bound schedule to explore FOSS. And not to forget the constant bullism they face for "busy doing" some stuff everytime and still not getting grades. Their predilection towards FOSS eats up their study time also but they don't complain as they enjoy what they do, they have freedom(speech), no cramming to do, pure knowledge flows from IRC to MLs to chats. The very essence of FOSS, IMHO, is _the_ way to learn to which humans adapt naturally "if" they are exposed. > > You use GNU/Linux / FOSS when you don;t have time :) It simply doubles > or triples your productivity in any area. :) > > > ### companies which are working in foss domain, should call for project > > guidance for BE projects. By This way, students will start contributing > in > > foss projects. > > Good suggestion. On the other hand, how about colleges sponsoring FOSS > Projects? > Don't expect much from colleges untill they see a potential gain for themselves. Many college are industry oriented. Just imagine the day when Infosys/TCS/Satyam et al. mention a pre-requisite in job postings: "FOSS is the eligibility criteria". I can only imagine this. FOSS can enter colleges in true sense when Industry starts looking up to it in the way it should be done. > > > ### There should be separate courses for FOSS in syllabus itself > > :) > Narendra, what do you want for this?? I'll give you a Hi-Five!! :) The idea is rocking, but again, it has been in our minds since long and frankly, it has received some bad thrashing. So, one has to go out of the way to accomplish something and prove that its worthy enough to be included in the syllabus. You can refer following links to have a look of what we have dealt with in recent past. [1] http://groups.google.co.in/group/JIITUstudentforum/browse_thread/thread/f0f9ad1c92225156 [2] http://groups.google.co.in/group/JIITUstudentforum/browse_thread/thread/fce2e5e6b0217986# In connection to going out of way to do things, my second endeavor: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgkft666_1dn428xcc I sincerely need help of everyone to pull off this event with an impact. All the above thoughts/opnions/rants are from my personal experience and it doesn't potray any institution/living human being. It only implies!! ;-) Thanks for bringing up this discussion. I really appreciate. Cheers! -- Prakhar Agarwal Fedora Ambassador-Delhi, India Linux User# 474643 [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key: 8BC6532F "Life is the greatest teacher" _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- [email protected] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
