Regarding Dreamweaver, the bloated code can be disabled and, in the newest
versions, is, for most parts, non-existant.

Regarding HTML messages, they are now no being BANNED from the office side
of most hospitals, universities, banks, State Governments, Federal
Governments and many private business who don't want to deal with the crap
they are now prone to carrying.

Imail also has the ability to strip HTML completely out of e-mail messages,
beginning in version 8.2.

So, send all the HTML you want - we strip it out and ignore it.

Want me to pay attention, send PLAIN TEXT with LINKS.

Bruce Barnes 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 15:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac

Hmmm...

>IE: NET is nothing more than "beefed up" Front Page, except that is 
>places even more Microsoft specific garbage within the code and 
>requires NET enabled servers to run on.

Absolutely not true.  Front Page and .NET are not related products.

>Both FRONT PAGE and NET require specific extensions to be running on 
>the server.

So does any other scripting language.  Any functionality you want to add
requires an extension that will preprocess the scripting or backend code,
delivering the desired HTML.  This applies equally to PHP, Python, Miva,
Cold Fusion, or any other web-based scripting or programming language.

>Both FRONT PAGE and NET require MORE SERVER RESOURCES and MORE 
>PROCESSING POWER to render the pages.

Well, of course.  If you want the added functionality of any scripting or
programming language, then you need a processing "extension" that uses CPU
cycles to convert the instructions into HTML to be delivered by the web
server.  The same thing applies to the current Webmail product, as it has
its own "scripting" language that processes directives to deliver HTML to
the client's browser.

>Both FRONT PAGE and NET place inordinate lines of extra code, for all 
>practical purposes, GARBAGE, into the code and;

While I would agree with this regarding Front Page, it is not necessarily
true with .NET, or any other scripting/programming language.  It all depends
on the developer.  Just like car mechanics, there are good and bad ones.

>Everything  done by both FRONT PAGE and NET can be done both easier,
better,
>and more cross-browser compatible using currently available technology, 
>coding software or by actual writing of code the old fashioned way - 
>using
a
>text editor.

I can't think of any other way to say this than that this is just plain FUD.
As I mentioned before, every platform/language has its pros and cons.
Blanket statements are incorrect and of no use to anyone.

>I'm prone to both old fashioned text editors and Dreamweaver, which has 
>the capability to remove all Microsoft garbage from code using a very 
>efficient clean up tool that's been built into the last several 
>versions of the program.

I agree with you on text editors.  That's what we use for all of our HTML
development in order to create tighter, faster loading HTML.  I also agree
that Dreamweaver is a better product than FrontPage, but it still produces
bloated code like FrontPage.  Basically you trade quick layout code
generation for optimal code when you use WYSIWYG or automated tools like
these.

>PS: I also refrain from using HTML in all e-mail messages.  Plain text 
>is far superior, carries far less likelihood of spreading a virus and 
>doesn't get caught nearly as frequently by spam processors.

This is another case where needs vary, and some tools are better than others
for certain purposes.  If your email is amenable to plain text, great.  If
you need special formatting to get your point across, then HTML is a great
tool for the job.

Darin.


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