One word. Ignorant.
Kevin Bilbee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Barnes > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > While I am already dead-set against using NET for any > applications, you are basically giving the short answer to > why no one should use NET for coding. > > IE: NET is nothing more than "beefed up" Front Page, except > that is places even more Microsoft specific garbage within > the code and requires NET enabled servers to run on. > > Both FRONT PAGE and NET require specific extensions to be > running on the server. > > Both FRONT PAGE and NET require MORE SERVER RESOURCES and > MORE PROCESSING POWER to render the pages. > > Both FRONT PAGE and NET place inordinate lines of extra code, > for all practical purposes, GARBAGE, into the code and; > > Everything done by both FRONT PAGE and NET can be done both > easier, better, and more cross-browser compatible using > currently available technology, coding software or by actual > writing of code the old fashioned way - using a text editor. > > Thanks for the clarification! > > I'm prone to both old fashioned text editors and Dreamweaver, > which has the capability to remove all Microsoft garbage from > code using a very efficient clean up tool that's been built > into the last several versions of the program. > > Bruce Barnes > ChicagoNetTech Inc > > PS: I also refrain from using HTML in all e-mail messages. > Plain text is far superior, carries far less likelihood of > spreading a virus and doesn't get caught nearly as frequently > by spam processors. > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Barker > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > Caca. > > .Net has objects (like buttons, grids, listboxes, etc.) you > drag to the "page" in the IDE, and they render code. No HTML > must be crafted (if you follow the tutorials - AND - you > don't particularly want portable nor efficient code). .Net > builds all the code for you, and it's very MicrosoftCentric > code. If you code your own HTML, then the rules are the same > as any other environment, Cold Fusion, Front Page, > Dreamweaver, whatever. > > It's the "party line" coding practices that build the junk web pages. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Daniels > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > Hey Martin: > > I am a CF exponent as well, and use it heavily for > targeted e-mail distribution using I-Mail. Apart from ASP.net > taking 5 times as long to code any application compared with > CF, there should be no difference in the end result. > Therefore ,net in general is a big kludge designed to capture > the VB users and must have some other inefficiencies > carefully crafted into it that I am unware of, if it is > causing other users problems. > > Ted Daniels > > BTW I guess CF may soon become part of Adobe if they > buy Macromedia. Should make for an interesting addition in > the area of document security. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Schaible > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Darin Cox <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > Hi, > > > > > So far i know, creating or generating good > html/css/dhtml is not a matter of the middleware (e.g. .net, > php, coldfusion) you use. > > I'm more related to coldfusion, an therefore > not eperienced with any members of programming languages of .net. > > This might by the reason, for my silly question ;-) > > > > > So, what is the problem with .net relating to > the client's html/css/dhtml part of an application? > > > > > ============================================ > > Am Sonntag, 6. November 2005 um 16:03 schrieben Sie: > > > > > > > > Yep. Grid layouts are still a problem though. > Scrapping those and going with Flow/table layouts with > limited divs has worked best for us. We usually do our > mockups outside of .NET for initial layout testing, then > bring them in and add the backend code. > > > > > Darin. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > > > Darin, > > > > I am sure you probably have already done this, > but by adding the browsercaps extension in your web.config it > goes along way to fixing a lot of the layout issues with > Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape/etc. > > > > Darrell > > ------------------------------------------- > > invURIBL - Intelligent URI Filtering for > Declude, mxGuard, and ORF. Stops SPAM by focusing on the > spamvertised link. More effective than traditional RBL's. > Download a copy today - http://www.invariantsystems.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Darin Cox <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > > > Very true... .NET by default is _extremely_ > IE-centric. In my mind .NET encourages poor layout > techniques with the grid layout. If you've ever created a > simple .NET web app without changing the layout, and then > tried to view it in NS, FF, or Moz, you know what I mean. It > works a bit better in Opera, but I won't go into Opera's > rendering problems... > > > > So, best bet is to scrap what .NET tries to > lead you to, and use what you already know works for web layout. > > > > > Darin. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bud Durland <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail 2006 WebMail w/o Mac > > > > > Do I understand correctly that IMail's WebMail > now run on IIS, with .net roots? Most likely, therein lies > the cause of cross platform woes. > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm in my own little world. 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