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I’m going to weigh in on this at
this point as well just so my vote is registered on the off chance Ipswitch is
monitoring this thread… Based on the fact that I haven’t
heard of an update even being reviewed for the 8.2x line I am currently
researching alternative mail hosting platforms. I was originally holding off
installing 2006 until it got stable but having a situation where I am now the
proud owner of a system that was installed less than 2 years ago with a major
vulnerability announced I am very angry that Ipswitch is leaving us hanging on
this. This is a core business option for us and certainly failures in it are
high profile and damaging for us. People will not be happy if they can’t
get their email because the server got owned by some script kiddie. It’s
inexcusable for a commercial software vendor to NOT weigh in on this as soon as
it was announced either to denounce the vuln or to accept responsibility and at
least provide a patch for the mainstream versions of their software. I’m sure
that the majority of Imail sites are not running 2006. How could they with how
unstable it has been? -Jason From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gil Gomes I've
been lurking in the weeds watching this discussion very quickly pick up
momentum. I thought I was internally over-reacting in my perception that
Ipswitch has become dollar driven to the point that it's obviously become
detrimental to their client base. Apparently that isn't just my
opinion. I've
forced myself, for the past five months, to use the webmail client that came
with iMAIL 2006.03. There are some issues that I just find mind
boggling. For example... 1) When I
hit the key, I get double spaced. That's a very handy feature if you're
interested in double spacing every line in every email. 2) The
sent folder, at a glance, shows that all of the mail was sent from me, but not
who it was sent to. How does that happen? Is that
what Ipswitch QA thought their customers wanted? There
are issues with attachments that I've been questioning for months, with no
answer. I
asked one of our sales correspondents to use this client as it would solve a
number of his problems. After two weeks he explained that he'd much
rather live with the myriad of problems he was previously encumbered with than
to have to use this slow, buggy, irritating client. He also mentioned the
fact that the main screen constantly popped in front of the "New
Message" screen while he was typing a longish email... Another
wonderful feature... Is
Ipswitch purposely under staffing for this product? Does it have
programmers with the wrong mindset putting this together? Something is
obviously going on over there that's making it difficult to put out a quality
product... bye for
now... With Microsoft, you are not paying an
annual service agreement over and above the purchase price. In this instance
Windows 95 is not a good example nor would Windows 2000 as they both are much
older products than version 8.x of IMail. Also, if those companies who had the
keys had service agreements with their clients then yes they should be required
to produce software to alleviate the need for the parallel port. I may be
mistaken but I seem to recall some court cases against Microsoft that ended up
requiring them to support software up to 4 years from its creation and to
maintain patches for the software for a 4 year period from the time of the
following upgrade. But then again I could be mistaken. The problem with the version 8.x Imail
server also effects version 2006. 2006 is a massive rewrite with minor changes
made to certain parts of the code. I think Ipswitch got caught with two
generations of the product having problems and is not capable of handling two
different rewrites for patches. I do hope that Ipswitch decides to reverse
their decision to not support version 8.x and supplies the fix for the smtp
vulnerability to SA holders as that is part of what we are and have been paying
for so many years. This non-support stance has been evident with Ipswitch
management several times before this and has lost them a large portion of the
market to competing products. This move could loose them the balance of their
loyal base or cause a class action to be taken against them. I hope that does
not happen. Rick Hogue Intent.Net From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John T (Lists) So if a vulnerability is discovered in
Windows 95, Microsoft should spend the time and resources developing a patch to
fix it? What about all those software vendors
that were using old style parallel port keys that became obsolete when Windows
XP came out? Should those software vendors have been forced to provide entirely
new versions of software and keys that were working perfectly fine under DOS
6.22 or Windows 3.1 for free? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall
find!" -----Original Message----- >> The answer is obvious, time to drop
Imail. << The only problem is that the alternatives aren't exactly
that great. SmarterMail looks like a great product, but it's still
lacking some of the fundamental elements of a corporate mail server like
TLS. They also remind me now of how IPswitch was 5 or 6 years ago.
I'm afraid that if I jump ship to SM, in a few years they'll start
going down the same over-priced, feature-bloated, performance-lacking,
unstability-ridden road that Ipswitch (and Declude) did. I've looked
at the other alternative products and none are really that viable IMO. I would love it if there were a full featured Open Source
mail server. Not that I am looking to save money - I'd just like to be
able to use a product that is driven by functionality instead of the bean
counters. FWIW, I didn't renew my IMail service agreement that expired
a month or two ago. I'm not sure what I'm holding out for, but I don't
want to feel like I'm being robbed by paying Ipswitch to use their
product. That said, I'm not using a version with a vulnerability in it,
but that shouldn't matter. If a vulnerability is discovered in any
version of a piece of software, the vendor should provide a patch regardless of
SA status. From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tyran Ormond On 05:41 PM 10/23/2006
-0400, it would appear that Mike N wrote: Now that there's been an SMTP exploit released (yesterday) for the
recently patched SMTP bug, you are running on borrowed time until someone
decides to try it on your server.
----- Original Message ----- From: Troy D.
Hilton Subject: [IMail Forum] It is worth it to buy the SA? Weve been running Imail 7.15 for a few years now
and its been running very well. Well, its time to renew my SA with
Ipswitch but Im wondering is it worth it?
In following this list I see that the latest versions
of Imail have been far from stellar, so Im know I will not be upgrading to
2006.x anytime soon. I think Ive seen that 8.22 is pretty stable but is it
worth the upgrade from a 7.15 thats old but stable, to a 8.22? Is it worth
it for me to spend the money for an SA for Imail?
Opinions?
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- RE: [IMail Forum] It is worth it to buy the SA? Jason Loven
- RE: [IMail Forum] It is worth it to buy the SA? Jim Comerford
- Re: [IMail Forum] It is worth it to buy the SA... Tom Pepper
- RE: [IMail Forum] It is worth it to buy th... Christopher Checca
- Re: [IMail Forum] It is worth it to bu... Doug Traylor
- [IMail Forum] OT: It is worth it ... Christopher Checca
- Re: [IMail Forum] OT: It is w... Darin Cox
- RE: [IMail Forum] OT: It ... Matrosity Hosting
- Re: [IMail Forum] OT: It ... Darin Cox
- RE: [IMail Forum] OT: It ... Jim F.
- Re: [IMail Forum] OT: It ... Darin Cox
