> NOTE: SPACES INSERTED IN CERTAIN WORDS TO PREVENT IMAIL FROM SUDDENLY
> DECIDING IT WANTS TO WORK PROPERLY.

Wrong. RTM.

IMail    subscribe    and    unsubscribe    requests   are   sent   to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], not the list posting address. In no way would it
be  "proper"  for  IMail  to  honor  a  putative  unsubscribe  request
erroneously posted to the list address.

This  is  the  way  Imail  has always worked (read some old manuals as
well,  read  some  mailing  list  archives  too). Indeed, professional
mailing  list  managers work this way as well. Subscription management
messages aren't sent to the same address as list posts.

OTOH, IMail's dirt-primitive MLM has historically suffered from a lack
of  support for anything but plain text, a lack of double opt-in, lack
of  standard  list  headers,  lack of bounce management, and a raft of
other  features  common  to  professional  MLMs.  But  those are other
issues. You have to send list commands to the right address before you
bellyache about it not working.

> Additionally,  when  responding  to a message and you want to un sub
> scribe,  the  word,  un  sub  scribe  must  be the only think in the
> subject  field.  (without  the  spaces as shown in this example). NO
> "RE:",  NO  "[IMail  Forum]",  just  the word un sub scribe, without
> spaces.

Wrong. RTM.

List commands are sent to imailsrv in the message body.

The  only  way  auto-processing  aliases  and  other  list  management
procedures exist is if you create them.

> In     the     case     of     this     list,     it     would    be
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  with  NOTHING  in either
> the SUBJECT or BODY of the message as a PLAIN TEXT MESSAGE.

Wrong. RTM.

Such aliases only exist if you create them.

There  are  no  magical list management aliases that always exist that
you  cannot  see  in  the  Aliases area in IMail admin tools. IMail is
extremely  upfront  that  way.  Other  servers  might  have hidden the
Program Alias to imailsrv. IMail does not, making it easy for users to
see... and unfortunately possible to delete.

> I wrote a web interface this, that forces a confirmation response by
> the person subscribing or unsubscribing, and that response MUST also
> be PLAIN TEXT.

Such  a  "web  interface" does nothing vis-a-vis the plain text issue:
you  describe it yourself as having the exact same processing problems
with non-plain-text responses. (Not surprising, since you didn't write
anything new on the incoming end.)

If  you  want  to  work  around the issue, write a real SMTP-HTTP list
management   interface  that  generates  outbound  e-mails  containing
hard-to-guess,  expiring  URL links that act as confirmations when the
URL  is  visited.  It's  not  like  any of this is rocket science: the
freakin'  subscriber  lists  are  text  files.  Of course, you have to
*really*  want  to  use  imailsrv, instead of myriad other options, to
bother with this.

--Sandy


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Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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