I agree that they are expensive!  We have an set of IMGate servers in
front of our Barracuda and it stops around 500k messages a day from
getting to our Barracuda.  But management wants the customer to have
some control of what gets blocked for their account.  Therefore with
having the Quarantine function of the Cuda and Red Condor, it makes
management happy.  Plus it does allow the customer to have some control.

Thanks,
Grant Griffith
Web Application Developer
Enhanced Telecommunications
http://www.etczone.com
812-932-1000

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] spam conference?

Those solutions are expensive, don't really solve the problem nor do
they
save you any bandwidth which is what we're trying do. Btw, we're talking
about free software here as well.

Our solution reads your logs so it's specific to your spam not everyone
on
the planets. No sense in blocking spam you're not actually receiving.
It's
pretty neat to see just what email is coming through your server.

Regards,

Bill Foresman
Matrosity Hosting
www.matrosity.com
850-656-2644


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Griffith
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] spam conference?

Yep, the 400 unit can only handle around 100k messages a day if you have
around 5000 accounts.  We are having issues with it not able to handle
over 6000 emails an hour during business hours.

We are looking at other solutions also, the Red Condor is something we
might demo and see how it works.

Thanks,
Grant Griffith
Web Application Developer
Enhanced Telecommunications
http://www.etczone.com
812-932-1000

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] spam conference?

We developed our own solution which is coming along nicely but it a bit
manual. The idea would be to release it to other imail owners so we
could
share data and work together which would spread the workload out a bit.

Barracuda is a nice solution but the $$ is up there if you're hosting
hundreds of domains or your mail server gets 100K emails per day. Let's
not
also forget the subscription fee.

Regards,

Bill Foresman
Matrosity Hosting
www.matrosity.com
850-656-2644


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Rabe
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] spam conference?

Not sure what you are using as your solution.....but we just installed a
Barracuda here and it dropped our spam rate to about 1 in 18,000 (from 1
in
25-30).  The thing is a lifesaver.  It took a  little while to setup
(maybe
1/2 day) and "learn it" with samples of good and bad mail, but it was
very
worthwhile.

TR

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] spam conference?

We can't filter forever because that doesn't work. Reactive IP blocking
is a
step in the right direction but still not a solution. It seems a list of
people that can email is easier to keep than a deny list. We're blocking
over 40,000 IP's after a few weeks. The tool we've written is quite
enlightening but surely there's someone thinking of a solution as spam
grows
to 95%+.

What happens when it's 99.999%???

Regards,

Bill Foresman
Matrosity Hosting
www.matrosity.com
850-656-2644


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Conrad
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] spam conference?


>What is "the" spam conference to attend in the US? Filtering isn't
working

meaning? what you consider "too much" spam is getting through? or too 
many false positives? or just too much work?

>and I'm curious where all this might be headed. We're harvesting IP's
from
>our logs and creating an ACC file to simply block them.

Reactive blocking works fine.  The key problem is how much stickiness.

>Working pretty well but not an exact science like anything else.

The nature and sophistication of the attacks keep changing. By 
definition, our counter-attacks will always be a step behind, 
preferably a quick, short step.

I don't think spending $100s or $1000s to attend a spam conference, 
if such a thing exists, in search of magic bullets is money well spent.

Len


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