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-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Beets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBS - blacklist not the answer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arriba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: [IMail Forum] ORBS - blacklist not the answer
> Reading over the recent mails on maps/orbs i have to throw my opinion
in.
>
> I do not think things like maps/orbs are the answer.
> I agree i should not rely on 3rd parties to filter mail for my
customers.
As
> a matter of fact..except for viruses, I think filtering is an action
that
> could be very expensive to your business.
> .
> It only masks the problem..does not fix it. I believe the problem
will
only
> be fixed when public outcry demands a fix.
>
> Using blacklists only delays or dampens that outcry.
>
> I was not surprised to hear of orbs getting an injunction.
>
> I believe that I,as a hoster could get sued by one of my customers for
> restraint of trade or damages..if for example, i used orbs/maps and as
a
> result, my hosting customer never got a large order.
>
> That is not our job and who are we to judge what mail should get
through
or
> not to our customers.
> It is not our business. We are interfering with their business
operations
by
> doing so.
However all the businesses that I host are wanting me to filter it...
> Does the phone company filter the phone calls you get? I believe that
is a
> good analogy.
No the phone company does not filter calls but they probably would start
if
all their customers got 10 spam calls a day...
NO they wouldn't.. NEVER
> Adiditonally, I tend to think blacklists do not really address the
problem,
> or fix the root cause.
>
> I think the this spam solution can best be addressed by legisltation
and
it
> will have to be federal legistlation as spam crosses state boundries.
That is really the worst way to go in my opinion.... Because then it is
now
up to the government to decide what is spam and what is not... We do not
want the government regulating the internet.. One of the things the
government did in the past was create a law that made the ISP
responsible
for what their customers do or say while on their service.. This did
not
work out very well.. I personally do not want to be held responsible for
others actions. The new child protection regulations require me to get
permission from the parent of anyone under the age of 13 before they can
fill out the registration for access to my chat network so instead of
messing with that I just do not permit anyone under the age of 13 to my
server. Let the government get involved in spam and you will find
yourself
asking a lawyers opinion everytime you want to send your customers an
email....
> I would expect most state spam laws to be struck down as violating
> interstate commerce, though i am not an attorney.
>
> Now, there are some bills in congress..but there is danger of the
current
> bill being quite weakened.
>
> For comparision, there is a unsolicited fax law(so i've heard) that is
> nation wide, where you can sue for 500.00 or more for unoslicited
faxes.
These laws are based mainly on the fact that the person sending the fax
is
using your paper and toner to print it.
> We should have the same sort of law for spam.
I really disagree.. I am personally in favor of less laws...
I have sifted through all of my logs showing the spam coming through to
my
customers and the spam that tries to relay off of me.. 90% of the spam
originates out of country. Federal laws are not going to stop these
people... Then there are the servers who are spoofing their IP's... The
best
way to stop spammers is to plug the holes in the internet.. We need to
upgrade the web so that people are not able to spoof their IPs... Then
filtering would be very easy to accomplish. The next step are pro-active
Administrators...
Lets stop trying to depend on the government to do what we should be
doing
ourselves...
Jon Beets
Pacer Communications
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