HI
I have managed to get very confused about mail relay options can some one
elaborate on this.
Cheers
Jez
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark McDonald
Sent: 11 June 2001 11:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] DoS attacks, behind the keyboard
This "Mr. Gibson guy" goes "through what every networking rookie seeing
and trying to combat their first dos attack." Yea right. I'm really
sure you're capable of writing the software he has and the time to
invest in IRC bots, decompiling code, etc. Unlike ISP's which just want
the problem fixed, Mr. Gibson seems to view it more as a learning
experience and wants to see how it REALLY works. He knew there's
nothing he could on his own against a DOS attack, and neither can anyone
else without the help of their upstream provider which at times can
still be of no use.
-Mark McDonald
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] DoS attacks, behind the keyboard
Scott Perry wrote:
>
>> So...Mr. grc was finally DOS'd and he write's a long essay about
>> something
>> we have been fighting for years, and somehow it's BlackIce's fault?
>
>
> They are actually very well written and informative articles (both the
> original and the follow-up). I saw the BlackIce comment, but to me
> the comment didn't really seem anything out of the ordinary. If I
> recall correctly, BlackIce allowed trojan horses to send and receive
> packets without being caught. That's an extremely bad thing for a
> firewall to do. If the trojan horse bypassed BlackIce's security
> system somehow, it's not BlackIce's fault, it is the users' fault for
> using a software firewall and opening a bad attachment. But, it
> sounds like it is a flaw specific to BlackIce (they just aren't
> scanning some ports).
>
> -Scott
Ok, so this Gibson guy, figures out what a dos attack is.
He goes through what every networking rookie seeing and trying to combat
their first dos attack.
He apparently does not know what subseven does or how it works even
though he has been writing about it for years
, and even more bizarrely goes about coding a " Markov-chain
finite-state statistical dialog modeller" to
hunt these hackers down on their own turf, irc! He could have just
knocked....
Then he has a wonderful insight on how to scan for these trojans, which
every 10 year old has known for years.
He winds up this huge newbiefest by badmouthing BlackIce for not doing
something it is not designed to do. I'm amazed that he did not know this
already after evangelizing about it for years.
You like Mr Gibson apparently don't see the difference between
ZoneAlarm and BlackIce. For BlackIce to block potential trojan's it
would need to work more like ZoneAlarm, which necessitates permissions
before sending any traffic. This is impossible in a server environment,
where the BlackIce's superiority as an information gathering tool is
invaluable. BlackIce is not free, and is aimed at a totally different
market. It's NOT a trojan blocker and never claimed to be one.
I kind of hope Mr. Gibson scares a whole lot of the clueless away from
BlackIce though. Working at an isp, not a week goes by where some moron
does not call wondering why he is getting hacked, and he has all sorts
of evidence because he has BlackIce now. Good riddance!
If I was Network Ice, I'd have already sent him a letter demanding his
slanderous remarks be removed from his site.
In the end, all of his problems are really Verio's fault for not
configuring grc's upstream routers properly from the start.
jon
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