At 07:00 PM 7/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Len's version has limitations like no large local database. With MAPS
>charging $1,200 a year, some of the best Spam filtering is about to become
>no longer available for Postfix users.
Not actually, it is $200 for small users -- less than 100 pop boxes. My
"guess" is that they will probably create additional scales, because the
jump from $200 to $1,500 is pretty steep.
> There is ORBL, and ORDB, but so far
>they are only mildly effective. Our database is a bit different than MAPS
>or the ORBL and ORDB databases. We manage e-mail for about 29,000 domains
>and our system uses traps to catch Spam coming into our local system. This
>allows our database to grow quickly by trapping real Spam which doesn't
>require anyone to report it, but we still manually confirm it.
>
>I come from North Dakota where ethics mean something. I don't believe the
>database, and informational web site we are building is stealing from Len,
>but I do believe this is a community effort. We could charge $1,200 a year
>and thumb our nose at those less fortunate, or just keep the database for
>ourselves, but fighting Spam is a 365 day effort. The Postfixgate group
>decided it would provide a low cost database, along with scripts, tips,
>articles, and more, to those who fight Spam for a low cost that could
>support our efforts. No one here will make a living from subscribers who
>pay $20 per month, and why make the effort to provide a database, bandwidth,
>etc., for free.
>
>There are a lot of free sites out there like say Slashdot, who may
>eventually disappear because the free model is hard to maintain. We chose a
>low fee to keep our effort alive, and at the same time would allow anyone to
>afford to have a database like the big boys that runs on a free *nix system,
>with free software like Postfix.
>
>We are working on a version which Scott may integrate into Declude so those
>users can also have this database running on their Windows system with Imail
>as their mail server.
>
>People like you may want to choose sides, but this is a community effort.
>I'm part of a community that fights Spam and so is Len. How we go about it
>is up to each one of us. If you don't like our approach don't subscribe.
>Once you hear how effective our database is however, you won't have many
>other alternatives. I hope you'll appreciate our efforts when that day
>comes rather than trying to shoot down our efforts to help out the Spam
>fighting community.
We appreciate anything that fights the spam animal. It would seem to me
though, that since Len was the creator of this alternative, that y'all
(that's a TX term, which I warned you about) would have put your heads
together with the guy who knows this thing the best.
I think (but don't know) that you are probably a young tech who is trying
to stake a place for himself -- that's o.k. The old bull, however, would
turn to the one who was the creator and strike an alliance for achievement
of the common good. Len has never displayed himself to be anything other
than a mover and a shaker and a helper for all. So, please excuse me. I
continue to find fault with the underlying ambition of it all
If I were you, I would get Len to carry the flag. That will surely give it
creditability and credibility it needs if it is to be successful.
Just my "old guy" opinion. But, what do I know. I've only been doing this
a mere 25+ years and I still learn something new every single day. Len has
taught me a thing or two, as well. Of course, he is a vintage kind-of-guy,
as well, and a TX guy, too . . . .
Thanks,
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 6:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Postfixgate Anti-Spam Database statistics
>
>
> > Gee. I though Len Conrad was the Daddy/Creator/Chef of this PostFix
> > thing. A little thunder stealing going on here? Smells like it to me . .
>.
> >
> > We'll dance with the one "who brung us." Of course, we're from Texas and
> > we have principals like that . . . We even say y'all every now and then
> > and do it with a smile on our face. It's called neighborly down here . .
>.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 05:37 PM 7/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Anti-Spam Database blacklist statistics are now available at:
> > >
> > >http://www.postfixgate.com/
> > >
> > >We have automated the harvesting (from our local system) of IP, bogus and
> > >real domains and e-mail addresses, and subject headers to add to our
> > >database daily. Everything is checked manually to prevent anything from
> > >falling through the cracks. Shortly we will have a system in place to
>allow
> > >for automated registration to subscribe to Postfixgate with a
>credit/debit
> > >card. The fee will be $20/month. In addition to having access to the
> > >Anti-Spam database daily updates, there will also be scripts to automate
> > >management of Postfix, articles on troubleshooting problems, and another
> > >application that will allow for automated management of Imail which we
>may
> > >charge an additional small fee for due to development time involved.
> > >
> > >I will invite all who would like to author articles on Postfix, IMail or
> > >other pertinent articles related to e-mail, Spam, or system management to
> > >join a concerted effort for a one stop site to find information on
>managing
> > >e-mail servers and fighting Spam.
> > >
> > >Portions of Postfix will be free including articles, certain scripts
> > >contributed by developers outside of the Postfixgate group, and more.
> > >
> > >I will keep everyone posted.
> > >
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