<airlines, financial, headline news servers, etc.  yes, there are 1000's,
and they are widely used by ><millions of users, so they must be protected
from (mistaken or malicious) community-level blacklisting.>

American Airlines uses:
Received: from prodmx01.prod.appriss.com [63.126.72.183] by *.com
(SMTPD32-8.01)
Received: from prodmx01 (prodmx01.prod.appriss.com [10.10.100.166])by
prodmx01.prod.appriss.com (Appriss SMTP Services) with ESMTP id EB90F963
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO: (10289778)

United Airlines uses:
Received: from memailout22.messagereach.com [205.183.255.210] by *.com with
/
From: United Airlines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Your E-mail Confirmation from United

Chase Bank uses:
Received: from mailer.bigfootinteractive.com [206.132.3.112] by *.com /
Reply-To: Chase Credit
Cards<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Chase Credit Cards<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

You get the idea.

I am not sure how pratical it is to "whitelist" Airlines, Financial Services
and the like as being legit if they continue their outsourcing for email
delivery.








-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Len Conrad
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Intentional RBL deceptions


At the community level, there should be a global, protected never-blacklist
(so there's no need for anybody to whitelist them), maintained by the
community, of IPs that are "known" to be legit, like all big ISPs, ipswitch
list server, isp-*.com lists, airlines, financial, headline news servers,
etc.  yes, there are 1000's, and they are widely used by millions of users,
so they must be protected from (mistaken or malicious) community-level
blacklisting.

I can't ever use or recommend trustic if they are going to permit global
blacklisting of aol, msn, yahoo, hotmail outbound relays, as I saw last
week.

btw, the never-blacklist could also be used to reduce forgeries:

For a ESD of <big ISP>, is sending IP in the never-blacklist ?

If not, it's a forgery.

Len

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