Very well put, Pete!!  Thanks for articulating what I was thinking.

Advice is always an opinion, which the recipient should interpret in the
context of their own situation.  If someone gives advice and you have a
differing opinion, then write "I disagree" or "I think this would be
better" and explain your advice.

And contrary to your beliefs, Len, you're not always "right".  As useful
as I find your advice, I do find that in some situations, it doesn't
work for me.  

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeil
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] WTF?
> 
> Hopefully this thread can be stopped before it really gets going.
> 
> Scott Said:
> 
> |>That you know of.  :)
> |
> 
> Len Said:
> 
> |FUD.  He knows what he knows, and his IMGate is not a disaster
> |or wildly
> |blocking tons of legit mail, or he nor anybody else would be using
it.
> 
> Pete (madscientist says):
> 
> People used to think smoking was not harmful because they didn't know
> and because salesmen told them it was not harmful.
> 
> Once upon a time asbestos was supposed to be a new wonder material -
> people didn't know.
> 
> My point is not to paint Len in a bad light here - only to point out
> that what you don't know can hurt you.
> 
> Nobody said that IMGate was blocking "tons" of legitimate email - only
> that there are aspects of it's operating principles which can be
> problematic and would be significantly so if there were a large scale
> deployment.
> 
> What Scott is saying is not FUD but fact: Rejecting messages based on
a
> single test - even a very good one - is more risky than using a
balanced
> approach. Rejecting messages in a way that prevents any further
analysis
> (other than a record that the event occurred) increases the risk that
> legitimate messages will be rejected without detection. Even on
systems
> that accept messages for analysis and use the most comprehensive test
> structures false positive detection is far from sensitive enough in
most
> cases.
> 
> Not knowing can and does cause people to do harmful things without
> realizing the rammifications.
> 
> "That you know of" is a perfectly reasonable, and legitimate caution.
> Not FUD. Any email admin should take into account that their operating
> policies will have a profound effect on what they do and do not know
> about their operations. Failing to consider information that might be
> hidden by a process/policy is not wise.
> 
> That's not to say that the admin should never choose a solution which
> has a higher risk of "invisible consequences" - only that they should
be
> aware that these consequences exist and that they should weigh those
> risks against the operational costs of their systems (and other
> factors).
> 
> _M
> 
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