RE: [IMail Forum] (Exact list of) Word seperators for Phrase list (Content Filtering)?

Travis Rabe Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:37:13 -0700

Right you are - my bad.

Travis

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URL blacklist filtering does not support wildcards, at least not in IMail's internal anti-spam routines.
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Travis Rabe
Gesendet: Montag, 19. April 2004 17:59
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Then use wildcards.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of RMilner
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:37 AM
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And anyone who edited these lists everyday would not put ebay.com in the spam list - however, after seeing every piece of email that ended with pillz.biz as spam, would put that in to keep Travis-pillz.bz and imail-pillz.bz out of the system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Travis Rabe
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:19 AM
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I agree.....that would like saying ithinkthissux-ebay.com is that same as ebay.com. - they are not and should not be trated as such.

Travis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave Riddle
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:11 AM
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In this case if it did "work" in 8.0 then I consider that it does not work in 8.1 to be something that Ipswitch fixed for the better. While the domain names herb4u and ez-herb4u are close they are not the same - confirmed with WHOIS
Domain Name: HERB4U.COM 
Domain Status: ACTIVE
Registrar: CyDentity, Inc. dba CyPack.com

No match for domain "EZ-HERB4U.COM".
Checked another on your list
Domain
Name:                                
MEDZ.BIZ
Domain
ID:                                  
D4711050-BIZ
Sponsoring
Registrar:                       
GANDI SARL

Domain
Name:                                
EOPEN255MEDS.BIZ
Domain
ID:                                  
D6734289-BIZ
Sponsoring
Registrar:                       
ENOM, INC.

Using your logic then you would block
Registrant:MicroWorks, LLC (MICROWORKS3-DOM)
1107 S. Gilbert Suite 105
Mesa, AZ 85204
US

Domain Name: MICROWORKS.NET
because they "match" with
Registrant:
MICRO-WORKS INTERNET (MICRO-WORKS2-DOM)
190 Minet's Point Rd. #4
BARRIE, ON L4N 4C3
CA

Domain Name: MICRO-WORKS.NET

At 06:22 AM 4/19/2004, you wrote:

<double sigh>

this worked in 8.0 so it is a change then

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Rabe

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:08 AM

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<sigh>

As I said before herb4u.com - WILL NOT CATCH ez-herb4u.com - they are two totally different domains. The same is true for the rest of the domains you listed.

Travis

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of RMilner

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:12 AM

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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] (Exact list of) Word seperators for Phrase list (Content Filtering)?

I am not confusing statistical filtering with url blacklist filtering - You and Scott need to read what I posted.

let me make it very clear.

the spam that got through was listed in the file url-domain-bl.txt

listed in that 500k text file is:

herb4u.com

meds.com

herbal.biz

offerz.biz

offerz.info

medz.biz

pills.biz

pillz,biz

rx.biz

rx.com

Spam examples that were caught up until installation of 8.1 and once again got through yesterday:

ez-herb4u.com

great-offerz.info

cheapcheappillz.biz

ummrx.com

eopen255meds.biz

etc.

I know what statsical filtering and DONT EXPECT IT TO CATCH WHAT IS IN MY URL-DOMAIN-BL.TXT OR PHRASE-LIST.TXT.

I DO EXPECT IMAIL TO CATCH WHAT IS IN THOSE FILES.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Rabe

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:26 AM

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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] (Exact list of) Word seperators for Phrase list (Content Filtering)?

Hello,

First, please use plain text when posting to a list.

You are confusing Statistical Filtering with URL blacklist filtering. These are two completely different tests. Lets address the URL blacklist first.

Can you show us an example of one that got through and the URL that was in it? Also....if you have ez-herb4u.tld id *not* the same as herb4u.tld. These are two different domains. If this is the one that got through - that is why. Offerz.biz is *not* the same as great-offerz.biz -- these are two different domains.

Now..statistical filtering

Unless these phrases actaully appear in the e-mail - (not in a URL) then thye should trigger the test to reaise the odds that it is spam. As far as I know...statistical filtering does not scan words within HTML tags.

All tests on my install of 8.1 are working great. I recommend using the two utilites on the Imail site that help merge your phrase and URl blacklists and keep track of those you have taken out.

Travis

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of RMilner

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:14 PM

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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] (Exact list of) Word seperators for Phrase list (Content Filtering)?

Did 8.1 Also change the way it handles blacklist urls?

I have had herb4u.info in the blacklist for weeks - and since the change to 8.1, countless emails now are not blocked with such address as ez-herb4u.com. Ditto with meds.com, herbal.biz, offerz.biz, offerz.info, medz.biz, pills.biz, pillz,biz, rx.biz, rx.com and the like which come in under great-offerz.info, cheapcheappillz.biz, ummrx.com, eopen255meds.biz etc.

It is very difficult to keep motivation to edit the urls collected through the antispamseeder every day down to their least common denominator when the very next day you get the same urls coming back again and again and again.

If the feature has been changed or doesn't work consistently, there is no reason to waste time maintaining the list.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tripp Allen

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:34 AM

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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] (Exact list of) Word seperators for Phrase list (Content Filtering)?

In 8.0, special characters are treated as word delimiters. So my.mother$is$$$...here in an email would match "my mother is here" in the phrase list. In 8.1, you have two choices with the phrase list. If normalization is not turned on, the phrase in the list needs to match the phrase in the message exactly (case insensitive). If you have normalization turned on, the special characters are stripped (not counted as delimiters) so my.mother$is$$$...here is treated as "mymotherishere".

None of the characters in the phrase list have special meaning like they do in rules; the phrase list is not a regular _expression_ parser.

Tripp

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From: Admin-ML

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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:24 AM

Subject: [IMail Forum] (Exact list of) Word seperators for Phrase list (Content Filtering)?

Hi there,

I really miss a list of characters that are recognized as seperators between two words when using the Phrase List feature of Content Filtering in IMail 8.0x (Maybe I am blind, but I wasn't able to find one). I guess it is at least "<space>" and ".", but what more? Is "/" also ok, so that the text "hallo.com" is found in http://hallo.com/halloagain?

And what do the characters "." and "<space>" mean when being specified in the phrase list? Have they similar meaning as in the Inbound/Outbound filters? If I want to search for "bl<anycharacter>a" (so that "blAa", "bl1a", "bl.a", etc. is detected) can I write "bl.a"?

Tripp Allen, you there :)?

In general I really think the help is too unspecific how the anti-spam tests !exactly! work. These should really be updated with such information (unless already done in 8.1, I haven't checked it out, after having Queue Manager problems in the original 8.1 release).

Thanks in advance (c:p ...

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