----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Len Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:29
Subject: [Spam - 18]Re: [IMail Forum] Dictionary Attacks and MX Records


>
> > > What about just 'kill' listing IPs that fail 10 attempts?
> >
> >Some of the addresses may only appear six or seven times in a day, or
even
> >in an hour.  I'm very nervous about setting the trigger too low, thus
> >risking blocking mailing lists in the case of a customer who has changed
> >email addresses without letting the listserver know.
>
> greylisting is ideal for this kind of defense against low-volume msgs from
> a wide range of IPs.
>
> Since these IPs are very probably compromised "subscriber" IPs (cable,
> dialup, dsl), they are not real MTAs but mass mailing worms, and have no
> facilities for defer/queue/retry (and I'm observing that some spam farms
> don't retry, either).
>
> Greylisting EVERY single inbound msg kills this kind of traffic dead.

<snip>

> As I predicted months ago, the amount of crap coming from subscriber IPs
> has been increasing to the point that I bet 99+% of all msgs from
> subscriber PTRs is abuse.

I hadn't thought of that.  It sounds like a neat idea, and one that doesn't
require a repugnant amount of processing.  How long would you grey list an
address for rejections?  If they try to pump more than half a dozen messages
through?  This sounds like it might be the solution, but I'm curious as to
how you do it.

-- 
A. Clausen
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