Totally agree. A few years ago I had my vmail system running on a Win 3.1 machine that was also used for some accounting and miscellaneous home office stuff. It ran for about a year and a half without rebooting. Now I have a W2K server used for file serving, accounting, occasional TV, and other SOHO uses. I reboot it every six months or so when something in MS Office or a screen saver starts acting funny, but otherwise it runs as well. In the business, our web servers are only rebooted for patches.
Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Checca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Beating the Micro$oft Cost I run both a Microsoft Windows 2000 domain and several IBM RS/6000 AIX UNIX servers. I have found that Windows vs UNIX isn't about the hardware or OS ... it's about the app! I have two windows domain controllers/WINS/DNS/SciptLogic that haven't had a reboot in 10 months other than for patches, on the other hand I have a windows server running my documents imaging that needs rebooting every third day :(. As for my UNIX servers they need rebooted every month ... not because AIX UNIX is bad ... but the apps running on them are. With rebooting the UNIX servers will slow down since the apps didn't release their memory correctly. My experience over these years is Microsoft, Novell, AIX UNIX, and Linux are all stable OS's, all CAN BE HACKED (some easer then others), all will run for years without reboot ... until you install some apps and have "admins" tweaking them ... it's all about the programs installed on the server and how well they are written. Just my 2 cents... Christopher Checca Packard Transport, Inc. IT Department 24021 South Municipal Dr PO Box 380 Channahon, IL. 60410 815 467 9260 815 467 6939 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.packardtransport.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc A. Funaro Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Beating the Micro$oft Cost Hi Everyone, I think my message may have implied emphasis on something that, in retrospect, is only a part of the bigger picture... I do very much appreciate your points of view. I guess I should clarify my situation a little better... The move to Linux actually involves more than just a decision to save money; in reality, I think that saving money will simply be a fringe benefit IF in fact it is fully realized. *I* think it will be fully realized, but I can just as easily be wrong. To be totally open about the decision, I would also have to include the facts that (1) As a web applications development firm, we're moving a way from ColdFusion and towards Java/Java Server Pages/OO programming, (2) I have a personal interest in becoming an experienced Linux/*nix admin (adding diversity to my skillset, something that can't possibly hurt, can it?), and (3) my own experience with Windows since the 3.0 days (NT and WFWG) has given me enough "trouble" to want to seek the much-acclaimed stability of the *nix platform in general, while I'm still young enough to care. :) I have a personal love of technology that REALLY delivers on its promise and I guess part of me is looking to find out, in a way, if the *nix people are just MS bashers, or if they "really have a point" when it comes to overall platform stability. The last time I really, truly experienced technology "at its finest" was with an installation of Novell 4.1 at a law firm I once consulted for; at the moment they were pushed to go with a "wonderful" Microsoft solution, when I went to "down" the server for the last time for them, it had been up and running for around 475 days straight. When I asked about it, they said "yeah, it's kinda just sat there and ran... I think [someone] rebooted it a year or so ago, when we needed an OS patch or something..." (which leads me to believe that the uptime was probably even longer). That, to me, is delivery on a promise. Once they moved away from that platform, they got used to the "oh yeah, occassionally you have to reboot the server" thing.... as I think most of us have. (I can't complain too much... our Win2k3 servers have actually been doing very well.) So, i was really "wrong" in how I phrased my initial post, as it was too focused on cost savings. There's really much more to it than that for me personally as well as professionally... I just don't want to continue to be an "MS drone", and never seek the answer to the question "Could this be better?"... if I at least explore this new avenue, I'll be adding to my skillset AND answering the question at the same time... while perhaps improving the services we offer our clients. If it turns out that I cannot come up with a reasonable alternative to iMail, then it's a no-brainer to stay on Win2k3 and iMail, and move on to something else. I know I should expect some bias, since I *did* post my question in the iMail newsgroup (and you'd all be totally right to flame me for that transgression!!), but I know that there's also people on this list that are in fact experienced *nix admins, and may have (strong?) opinions regarding the stability of the Windows/iMail solution compared to some other enterprise-level solutions they may have been involved with. It's those people that I'm most interesting in hearing from... because they have what I seek -- experience from both sides of the "fence". Again, I hope I'm not offending anyone... iMail has been very very good to us. But I think it's kinda important to continue to ask questions and learn more about what's out there too. My apologies for making it sound like simply a "money-based" decision when, as I said, after thinking about it there really is much more to it than that. :) Thanks again everyone, and apologies again for this relatively off-topic post. M p.s. I didn't really grasp what the response below was trying to say... "My ISP" ?? Not sure what you mean... please feel free to clarify. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matrosity Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Beating the Micro$oft Cost > > > I agree 100% as NOTHING is really free in life. Your ISP may > be finding > themselves looking for Linux gurus instead of keeping you as well. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Matt Robertson > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Beating the Micro$oft Cost > > > Marc, > > I would give serious consideration to buying a Win2k server license. > As was pointed out, you are headed for a learning curve that otherwise > doesn't exist. While it won't cost in hard dollars lost time > has to count > for something. imho a lot more than 800 bucks; especially > considering the > customer service issues that are go with this if you are an ISP. > > Just a thought that admittedly doesn't address your core question... > > -- > --Matt Robertson-- > MSB Designs, Inc. > mysecretbase.com > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
