This may sound silly, but with a user base of just 300 it sounds feasible to
have all of your users set up a second email account in their email client
to point to the second mail server.  In that case you could leave them both
on all of the time and users would be able to send and retrieve mail from
both.  The user accounts would be identical except for mail servers
referenced.

This way, if for some reason mail a sending mail server delivers to your
backup instead of primary (maybe a network glitch causes them to see the
primary as unavailable even if it is), then mail still gets delivered to
your users.

When one goes down, the other is available for them to send/receive.  Your
main problem is syncing the registry between them.  If you consider the
backup only to be formally used when the primary goes down, then you can
schedule one-way transfers, and only reverse it when the primary comes back
up after an outage.

Requires a bit of management, but it seems to be what you're looking for...

Another thing to consider is moving your mail server to a disaster-proof
hosting center.  We're in Tampa, but weren't overly concerned about our
equipment for that reason.  Then the concern becomes appropriate redundant
network connectivity to reach the hosting center and internet, as well as
offsite backups.

It did get us thinking about opening up another datacenter in Atlanta,
Raleigh, Charlotte, or Herndon, though...

Darin.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sharyn Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:19 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Setting up another mail server at a remote site



Another  option  would  be  to  periodically re-import the user registry
data.

Yes, I had thought of that too. Matter of fact, I was thinking that perhaps
I could set up some sort of batch file/scheduled task to do that.




Here's  where  I've  got  some questions. When the primary does down are
you/they expecting to be able to see the e-mail that was received on the
primary when you are connecting to the backup?

And  in reverse, when the primary comes back up is the expectation to be
able  to  see  e-mail  that  was  received  on the backup when you start
connecting to the primary again?

These are both good questions. I'd say no to both. At the moment, when the
primary server is down, there is *no* email. I believe people would be very
happy to have current email, and be able to retrieve whatever was on the
primary server, after it's back up. Same deal on the backup. The driving
thought behind this is to at least have *some* sort of email connectivity,
if the primary is down. Hurricane Charley was an eye opener here!




If  people  will  accept  e-mail stored on the primary being unavailable
when  the  primary  is  down  and  e-mail  received  by  the  backup not
automagically appearing on the primary the task becomes a lot simpler.

Yes, this will be the expectation. Good word, automagically, I may have to
use that again! No one is expecting to be able to view the same mail on both
servers at the same time, and  have them magically transferred to whatever
server is up at the moment. Most download their mail to their email client
anyway.




It  would  make  sense  to  have  an authoritative slave running in your
backup  data  center.  You'll automatically get updates you make on your
master  nameserver  and  some of the cost of backup data center could be
assigned  to  DNS backup (although a 'dig' on todhunter.com shows you're
pretty well covered in that respect).

I had planned to set up the second mail server very similar to my primary
one, as in , my mailserver in my main site here is also my primary name
server. A second mailserver, in a remote site would also serve as a
secondary nameserver. It was my intent to get rid of the durocom slaves as
they are just doing me a personal favor by letting me use their servers.





Keep in mind that any network hiccups that prevent someone from reaching the
primary  will  cause  them  to  attempt  to reach your backup. Also spammers
will  often  go  after lower priority MX's with the assumption that they're
less protected.

Because I have the full support of the bigwigs (finally!!!) I have been
given the go ahead to spend what I need to ( I tried to justify a gym, pool,
and jacuzzi to help with stress but that didn't fly). I had planned on
putting declude virus and junkmail on the second mail server to prevent this
type of thing from happening. My second mailserver will be configured
exactly like my first, except the IP address. Of course, if the OHN in Imail
is the same on both servers (and it will be I think) theoretically I should
be able to use the same license. Except that is probably cheating and I'm
anal about licensing.




That would certainly cut down on spammers going after the backup :-)

LOL yeah, it would, but ideally that is not what I want to do. I'd prefer to
have the smtp service up, running and ready to go, although I am flexible on
this.

I guess my main concern here is that I understand what I'm doing in DNS. The
last thing I want to do is hose my main mail server cause I fudged up the
DNS entries. I was also confused about the official host name in IMAIL but I
think I'm straight on that now.

I would also want my users to be able to access webmail on the second server
when the first is down, by going to something like
http://mail2.todhunter.com:8383 or whatever I decide to call it. An A record
in DNS should take care of that though.

Sharyn





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