Hi Ted, Maybe it's idea to continue the discussion about different products in an other forum. I think, this is the wrong place.
============================================ Am Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 um 14:38 schrieben Sie: > Marak is one that sticks in my mind, however I want to make triple sure that > whatever we get will be sure to stop any attacks that generate internally, > both spam and AV type emails. I don't want to see us on any black listings > anyway! > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Stovall > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail Replacement compilation > I have to say that my evaluation of the Merak Mail product has > exceeded my expectations. We originally purchased iMail because we > were looking for an email solution for our students, which they would > access solely through the webmail interface. Upon installation of > iMail, I noticed the webmail interface to be rather bland. That was > even the case after applying KillerWebMail templates. Out of the box, > the Merak Mail web interface looked 5 times better. Not to mention > that issues we were having with iMail were nonexistent in Merak Mail. > Anyone who still wishes to find an iMail replacement and hasn't looked > at Merak as a viable alternative, I highly recommend doing so. > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:21:23 -0700, Ted Galerneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Wow, thanks for the list! I have invested several hours today in this >> researching and still haven't looked at some of the links you've provided. >> However I did get off on a pleasant and possible more profitable tangent >> while looking at SmarterMail and seeing that it works with some very >> affordable Windows based remote control panels like Helm and Hosting >> Controller which can also support many of the other email servers I am >> looking at, including IMail (yah right)! For less than the investment that >> Ipswitch expects from us for ICS we could easily setup a whole new email >> server and a new additional web server complete with a control panel which >> requires way less maintenance and could actually boost profits way more > than >> ICS unlimited users would, which many of us already need as it is unless >> your user base is less than 250. >> >> >> >> Email software /w unlimited accounts, 30 days of free support & free >> upgrades for a year starting at $499.00 and $50 support calls after the >> initial 30 days of free support are up. Control Panel, unlimited domains >> with 1 year support and upgrades = $698.00. Maybe another $1200 or so for >> one additional server with OS, and converting the newly retired Imail > server >> and OS into a new web machine for the control panel. The total investment >> would be about $2397.00, which is much less than the least expensive >> unlimited ICS offerings from Ipswitch. >> >> >> >> Or we could all go for one of the even more expensive email servers with >> unlimited regular accounts that would also include some Outlook workgroup >> accounts that we could update incrementally as needed and still save money >> from what Ipswitch wants by the New Year. For this add another $1400 to > the >> equation above. Either way other than staying with Ipswitch we could > easily >> host many new domains with lots of new email accounts and still offer ICS > if >> a client wants it enough to pay the incremental cost themselves and > produce >> a full return for our investment sooner while saving money in the mean > time. >> Chances are we would probably recover the smaller expenses outlined above >> much faster than we could by going with ICS and maybe even needing to >> purchase yet another full version of ICS later on because something new >> would break what we have and that is not covered with an SA unless of > course >> we want to just throw good hard earned money away every year. The > investment >> noted above would also help to reduce operating overhead by making use of >> the automated control panel for clients to make automated orders and setup >> their own stuff and maintain their own accounts and billing. >> >> >> >> Or option 2, we that have more than 250 email clients could just spend a >> minimum of $3995 for the new Ipswitch ICS bundle, assuming we buy it now > and >> sacrifice a better Xmas for our children or grandchildren or wait a while >> longer and pay yet another grand or more for it. Hmmmmm, I wonder how much >> new revenue we could generate by trying to force the newly incurred costs > of >> the ICS bundle on our own existing clients some of which are already >> shopping for less expensive hosting options and get them to pay more? I > just >> don't have the heart to treat our clients like that while the newer and >> cheaper web hosting companies are offering more for less than we can > provide >> with what we already have with less or no phone support like what we > offer. >> How can they charge so little and still make any profit while bending over >> backwards or whichever way for the bigger companies that we must all >> purchase our tools from that want take more and more money from us each >> year? Or are those companies just bootlegging the software they use? > Perhaps >> I am just too honest to be in this business anymore. >> >> >> >> Lastly, out of our needed unlimited licenses for email (since we have more >> than a 250 user base) I seriously doubt that I could talk 50 to 100 of our >> existing clients into forking over another $1 each a month for ICS > features. >> Doing the math that is a max of $1200 per year in additional revenue if > I'm >> really lucky. This means we would still need to pay out another additional >> $2795 for what we don't have the market for but have grown to like over > the >> years in spite of some of the hurdles we've had. Trying calling Imail >> support when there is a global problem and something breaks Imail all > over! >> You are right Ipswitch, our $495 a year don't really cover the support J >> What are you people thinking? >> >> >> >> I apologize for the rave, but I also hope I sound as bummed out as much as > I >> really am by this outrageous thing that Ipswitch is putting off on us all! >> I've never wanted to wish anyone anything bad before because I believe in >> Karma. I am going to try and hold on to my ethics and beliefs because my >> guess is Ipswitch will be getting a large dose of what goes around comes >> around. Probably even if they totally back peddle on this one, much harm > is >> done already and many long time trusts are already broken. I will try > really >> to stop ranting from this point on, but I just don't know how else to > really >> get their attention and I am pretty frustrated right now. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:51 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [IMail Forum] IMail Replacement compilation >> >> >> >> >> >> We have been using IMail since 1997 (it's crashing our 1st server almost > put >> us out of business in 1997, that server is still running today). We >> currently have 2 mail servers that we run and several co-located customers >> who are also running IMail. We just built a new server to upgrade one of > our >> IMail servers, at which time we would have renewed our service agreement >> with the hope to continue to use their product for another 7 years. All I >> can say to IMail's developers and support people is "thank you for the > many >> years of use out of a great product." >> >> Unfortunately since Ipswitch is no longer interested in meeting our needs >> by bloating a product beyond our needs we have decided to move on. We > don't >> need all the bells and whistles, we just need a solid mail server that > will >> handles 1000's of accounts on many domains and not break the bank. As such > I >> have taken the time to read all the mail posted in the last few days and >> compile a list of commercial different solutions along with their cost to >> meet our needs. In all cases I looked for Unlimited Domains & Unlimited >> Users. If UNK is shown it means that the price was not clearly available > or >> it was unclear. >> >> I have indicated which products clearly listed a migration tool for > IMail. >> >> I have not distinguished which products have Group Ware (we don't care or >> need it) or have anti-spam/anti-virus capabilities (we are covered here - >> thanks to Len and IMGate) as most of them do now days. >> >> If I have missed anyone or gotten the pricing wrong, I apologize. I hope >> to put together a similar list of Open Source Software solutions that also >> meet our requirement of unlimited users with unlimited domains. Any >> suggestions here would be appreciated. >> >> >> P.S. >> I hope I got the capitalization of IMail and Ipswitch correct. >> >> Deerfield: http://www.deerfield.com/products/visnetic-mailserver/ >> $1,950.00 >> >> FTGate http://www.ftgate.com/showpage.asp?id=57 >> �600 >> >> Kerio http://www.kerio.com/kms_active_dir.html >> UNK >> >> MailEnable: http://www.mailenable.com >> $220 >> >> MailMax 5.5: http://www.smartmax.com/mailmax.aspx >> $1499 >> >> MDeamon http://www.altn.com/ >> $1,980.00 >> >> Merak: >> http://merakmailserver.com/Products/Mail_Server_Migration_Tool/ $Depends > on >> options >> Has migration tool. >> >> ModusMail: http://www.vircom.com/Products/Modus/ModusMail/ >> UNK >> >> SLMail Pro http://www.slmail.com/default.asp >> $1,450 >> >> SmarterMail: http://www.smartertools.com/Default.aspx >> $495.00 >> Discount pricing: >> http://www.plateaultd.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=254 >> $199.00 >> Has migration tool. >> >> Surge Mail: http://netwinsite.com/surgemail/ >> $770 >> >> WinMail http://www.magicwinmail.net/technic.asp $1299 >> >> WorkGroupMail http://www.workgroupmail.com/contactus.asp >> $1495 >> >> >> Additional Products: http://www.emailman.com/win/servers.html >> >> I am sure I have missed some as I only have 25 hours in a day to address >> potential areas of growth thrown my way. 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