> No PTR for legits MTAs is a much bigger problem, and we're forced to
> tolerate (and thereby, encourage) that when deciding to accept mail,
> so  tolerating screwed up MXs records when sending our legit mail is
> really no big deal.

Don't  try  to kid me that you think that someone using an IP in their
MX  record  has  all  of  their  other  forward and reverse DNS set up
correctly.

> An  MTA  that refuses to send our legit mail because "MX RDATA field
> is an IP" error is just stupid. but "my MX, my policies"

In  my  policy, such mail is no more "legit" than mail destined for an
MX  hostname  that doesn't exist, an MX that's non-responsive, etc. In
all  cases,  you  can  use  a  hard-coded  HOSTS mailroute if business
requirements exist, but, in my opinion, there's no reason to encourage
the spread of bad practices by default. On that note, have you decided
that  1.2.3.4 is a legitimate HELO hostname or sender domain, too? I'm
curious,  because  we  certainly  have  not. It's all part of the same
policy, IP <> hostname.

> welcome  to  internet.  My  job  is  my  mail  system, NOT their DNS
> screwups.

This "welcome to internet" garbage is growing mold, and your attempted
condescension  is  rancid  with  IMail  inexperience. Must we have the
"welcome  to  internet"  vs.  "welcome to IMail" exchange every single
time?

> I  never have. logging isn't expensive, and is excellent evidence if
> a dialogue ever arises with the other end for any reason

A  "dialogue"?  When would that happen? You're delivering mail to them
in  defiance  of their breakage, so they'll _never_ contact _you_ when
stricter  mailservers balk. If they want you to check out their domain
for some other reason, you'd just use dig. And, of course, the logging
is  not  expensive;  it's  uselessly verbose, however, and my point is
that  if  your  MTA  shared  your  supposedly universal conviction, it
wouldn't  log  an  error  at  all.  Obviously,  you've just chosen the
"loose"  enforcement  setting, while others choose the "strict" one. I
can  understand  your  reasoning,  though  I  don't  share it. Calling
everyone  else  stupid is, though typical, glossing over your personal
choices.

--Sandy



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