Very strange indeed!
I can think of only two explainations.
1, you are on 8.20, I'm on 8.15.hf2.
2, you ARE running Declude. maybe it's doing something to/with the
X-RCPT-TO.
Here's full headers of YOUR message<g>. Note, I wrote the program that stuck
in the X-Envelope-From: through X-IMail-Queuename lines, and then IMail
8.15.hf2 put in the next 3 lines. Possibly AFTER the rules processing, tho.
This is becomming very interesting!
Dan Barker
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:19 AM
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
Full headers of the last message you sent to the list follow. As you
can see, there is no X-RCPT-TO: header. In this particular message (and
all list traffic, I assume), my domain name (@taisweb.net) doesn't even
appear in the To: line, meaning this message wouldn't be archived either
with a rule matching @taisweb.net in the TO: line. This presents still
ANOTHER problem.
Is there ANY reliable way to separate out the recipient domains in the
copyall account? We can't archive ALL emails because we have doctors
and lawyers as customers that have confidentiality concerns, but we need
to archive all mails for at least 5 of our domains. My thought, of
course, was to use copyall and Imail rules to match the domain name,
deleting anything that doesn't match. This solution seems to be filled
with holes though. Postfix does this perfectly with recipient_bcc_maps,
but I can't send traffic that is local to Imail through postfix (well, I
suppose I could have all my users send all their emails through postfix
instead of Imail, but then I have to hike through hell and back to
configure postfix to auth Imail users, probably via LDAP, if that can
even be done).
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Barker
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
The BCC'd X-RCPT-To is in the BCC recipient's email, but NOT in the CC
or TO. All emails eventually turn into a RCPT TO, and by convention,
only TO and CC are reflected in the headers out "in the wild". After
IMail has received the message, only then does the BCC name get stuck in
only that recipient's copy of the message.
All my messages have X-RCPT-TO in them, and I don't run Declude. Check
some headers and see if they are in there. I'm on 8.15hf2.
Dan
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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
Sorry, but there's no such monster in my headers. I know I can use
Declude to add the something like that to the headers, but a lot of our
clients (lawyers and doctors) complained about that because it
effectively "broke" (in their opinion) BCC:'s by revealing everyone that
was getting the message in the headers. For that reason we removed
them. So I can live without BCC's in the archive, but I need an Imail
rule that will catch @example.com in the CC: line.
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
X-RCPT-TO: <email-address> should be in the headers for TO, CC or BCC.
Dan
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
OK, but Imail allows you to filter on the TO or the complete HEADERS,
but not the CC: (from within the Imail Admin GUI). How can I set up a
rule to filter on CC:? I assume I will never be able to filter on BCC:
since that doesn't show in the headers. I know I can edit the filter
file manually and use regexps, but I am NOT in my comfort zone when it
comes to writing regexps. Can someone give me an example of an Imail
rule that would match "@example.com" in the CC: line?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Barker
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but it sounds like
you need three rules, one for To, one for CC, and one for BCC.
Or did I miss something?
Dan
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Horne
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
Wow, did I stump the list? No one has a way to make this work?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Horne
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Imail rules on Copyall account
Say I set up rules on the copyall account to send all emails to anyone
@example.com to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox. If I use a "To" rule,
I miss everything sent with cc: or bcc:. If I match @example.com in the
full headers, I risk confusion and mail going to the wrong mailboxes.
For example, say I host both example.com and example.net, and archive
email for both.
If someone at example.com sends an email to someone at example.net, the
message goes into both archives, even though we are supposed to be
archiving only received email, not sent (not really such a bad thing).
If I, as their host, send an email to my boss with a subject containing
example.com, it goes into example.com's archive (really bad news). I'm
sure there are many other ways for messages to get stored in the wrong
mailbox based on searching the full headers for @example.com. Is there
a way to do this right?
Alternatively, I have a postfix gateway and have experimented
successfully with recipient_bcc_maps That works exactly the way I want
it to, but of course it doesn't see any mail that is local to the Imail
server. So intra-domain email is not archived. If Imail rules won't
work right, is there any way to force Imail to send ALL email through a
gateway, even local mails that will just come right back to Imail?
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