On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Ian Dees <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Katie Filbert <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Alex Barth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> - Make sure expectations of all involved are clear. This is something I >>> could have done a better job of. For instance, that we at Mapbox were going >>> to engage very directly in the upload process wasn't fully clear for >>> everyone. At the same time I think it was important for us to initiate this >>> import having the human resources to finish it up. There are already too >>> many imports that aren't finished. >>> >> >> I think it's better to take time and have the community more directly >> engaged vs. paid folks. >> >> >> >>> - An import is actually not all that conducive to be a community >>> building project, especially not a large one. Imports are technically >>> complex, require experience with OpenStreetMap and commitment by those >>> involved. Community involvement is absolutely clutch, at the same time >>> doing an entire import is grinding work so people will loose interest over >>> time. >>> >>> >> Not convinced that the community can't handle the task. Task manager is >> ideal to split up the work and is motivating. >> >> >> >>> At this point the NYC import is almost done in terms of data added. We >>> are now doing additional rounds of validation. As always it is open for >>> participation: http://tasks.openstreetmap.us/job/2 >>> >> >> it's quite discouraging to get involved when paid mappers are involved, >> imho >> > > i'd like to point out that involving community in the import is *not* a > great way to build community. As we saw with the NYC (and I saw with the > Chicago), new (and even experienced) mappers are put off by the tedious > work behind a "community import". What's more, if they happen to do > something wrong the first interaction they get from the greater OSM > community is probably a nasty note from the DWG telling them to stop > mapping or be banned. >
Not convinced this is always the case > > No, the most effective approach I've seen is to have as few people run the > actual import process as possible (it was just me in Chicago) > OK if it's a few volunteer community people :) Cheers, Katie > and then get the community excited about the resulting data as it pops up > around them. Run events that fill in the address and POI, correct the > existing POI if there are any, fill in roads that are missing, etc. The > on-the-ground mapping work that is now made vastly easier because there are > more data to use as reference is what makes the community excited and > interested in OSM. > > -Ian > -- Katie Filbert [email protected] @filbertkm / @wikimediadc / @wikidata
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