Hi, On 07/14/2014 08:56 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > - Paid staff > The question was raised on if paid staff would be used for this. The > wiki says no money is being exchanged for work - does this mean that all > work will be done by volunteers?
Let's not beat around the bush here. Mapbox employees/contractors have clearly been involved in setting this up. For me, speaking in a personal capacity here, this is totally all right if they've done this because they live in Washington and are stoked about enriching their local map for which they as Washingtonians feel partly responsible. And if Mapbox lets them do it while they're at the office - more power to them! If however there are people who wouldn't dream about participating in a Washington building import, and who perhaps aren't even local, maybe part of some "Mapbox data team" in another state or even another country, who haven't mapped in Washington before, who will only do so because they are instructed by their employer, and who will stopp immediately once their employer considers the project finished or the employment ends, then that's something I would cast a slightly more critical look at, *especially* if I had the impression that I was kept in the dark about this. Now I do have a slight issue with "no money is exchanged for work" because it doesn't *clearly* rule out what I said in the previous paragraph - with the history of half-truths that have surrounded such cases in the past, someone could later say "uh well I just said that OCTO was not paying anything, I didn't say that Mapbox was not paying anything". Or someone could say "uh well I just said that there was no money exchanged, I didn't say anything about stock options". Or someone could say "uh well I meant that no *extra* money was being paid, of course these people were in the data team anyway and adding data was their standard work description", or whatnot. Personally, I would feel much better if we could simply have a statement that says: "Insofar as Mapbox employees or contractors participate in this import, they will only do so in their spare time and without receiving any compensation." or so. I'm singling out Mapbox here because the first wiki page about this whole thing was done by a Mapbox employee; if other employers are also involved, of course this would apply to the just the same. If the above assurance cannot be given then I would like to learn how that squares with the "no compensation" sentence on the wiki so that I can better interpret such words in the future. In addition, I would like to suggest for this import and also for all future imports, that we set an upper limit of just how much one single mapper can import per day. We simply take an experienced mapper and let them import a couple of buildings with the required diligence, and measure how long it takes. Then we estimate how much they could do in 12 hours with the same diligence - and that's how much we allow one person to import per day. Because otherwise we run the risk of having people throwing all diligence over board and trying to "get it over with" by importing tens of thousands of objects per day with zero chance of actually doing it well. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ Imports mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports
