I would say that even though they quack almost exactly the same, they are still different kinds of ducks. The best way to proceed is to create a specific tag for them and you can even ask to have it rendered almost exactly the same as the official living streets.
Polyglot 2016-01-26 16:15 GMT+01:00 Jaakko Helleranta <[email protected]>: > Just a brief comment on using living_street in contexts where the road is > not legally defined as a living street. > > I was facing a similar situation first in Haiti 3-4 years ago (where I > lived and mapped extensively in close collaboration with local mappers for > three years) and then in Nicaragua where same has happened for over two > years now. > > I think that the situation is quite simple: > The characteristics of various roads are very clearly in line with the > characteristics that define a legal living street, namely where there is a > lot of non-vehicular activity both _on_ the road and on its both sides AND > where pedestrians have undeniable right of way over vehicles. In Haiti I > was saying, "If you'd drive these roads not giving way to pedestrians your > car would be stoned." > > Since I started to ponder about the appropriate tagging of these roads > I've learned that the living_street tag is used quite broadly / extensively > in various countries with similar settings as Haiti and Nicaragua (and > where there often is no such thing as a legally defined living street). > > In summary, I think it would be a bit ignorant or/and foolish for those > without understanding of the on-the-ground realities of these countries to > claim that living_street is an inappropriate tag. At least until there is a > "unofficial_living_street" tag to replace it. Regular residential roads > these are not. > > I have a pile of street view pictures from both Haiti and Nicaragua to > help understand the situation on the ground if someone wants to look into > this on a practical level. You can start by downloading all living streets > in Managua, Nicaragua to JOSM and looking at the photos available in > Mapillary for these roads. > > With best regards from Managua, > -Jaakko > > -- > Sent from my mobile device. > On Jan 24, 2016 7:44 PM, "Mikel Maron" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Thanks for investigating the data issues Sander. As I did when you >> contacted me last week, I'll explain the issues here as I see them, and >> discuss some simple ways I'll see to getting them fixed. >> >> On the "Bad Imports" page, this new process is unnecessary. There is >> already a substantial process for managing imports and resolving data >> issues, documented in the wiki and managed by the DWG. >> >> On the data in Enugu, my role in the original import was to advise >> colleagues involved directly in the data collection and import, and then to >> make some repairs to the roads (that is why I appear as the first editor of >> many features). There are two issues. >> >> One is "living_street". My understanding is that they used >> "living_street" in cases of unpaved residential roads, because there is a >> great amount of activity directly on these roads, and "resembled" living >> streets in the EU. There is no legal definition of living street in >> Nigeria. At the time of the import, I didn't totally agree with the >> classification, but didn't think it that important. Given the question on >> classification now, I think it's best to improve this, and will do so, by >> changing classification to residential road. >> >> Second, there are a good number of tags on POI that should not have been >> included in a related import of Enugu (for example >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2460130808/history). The simple >> solution here is to identify those tags, and remove them, and I will see to >> this as well. >> >> -Mikel >> >> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >> >> >> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:23 PM, Daniel O'Connor < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Re Enugu, see >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-August/002112.html >> for some of the discussion around this data. >> >> Mikel Maron (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mikel) is the chap >> with the main user account for the roads data. >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Meanwhile I contacted some users and documented the contacts in the wiki. >> >> If anyone finds other harmful imports, or has an opinion on the mentioned >> imports, please add them to the wiki. >> >> Thanks, >> Sander >> >> >> 2016-01-24 15:53 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere <[email protected]>: >> >> I recently discovered a number of bad imports, but found out it's hard to >> discuss those, and keep track of those discussions, as there's no central >> platform where that could happen. >> >> There are f.e. changeset discussions, but when the importer doesn't >> answer, you don't get notified anymore, and nobody else will keep an eye on >> it. >> >> So I started a wiki page to gather information about bad imports, >> together with an initial procedure to handle those (giving some times to >> allow discussion and cleanups). >> >> see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bad_imports >> >> I already documented some bad imports there, but not yet who I contacted >> (though I contacted two importers via changeset messages, and that will be >> hard to find back if they don't react). >> >> If any of you find bad imports, I should ask you to also add them to the >> list, and regularly keep an eye on the list. When that list gets used more >> often, we won't lose track of those discussions anymore. >> >> If you have any remarks on the procedure, feel free to raise concerns. >> But I like some hard dates as else people wonder whether it would be ok to >> revert it already or not. And I think the current terms are reasonable. >> >> Regards, >> Sander >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Imports mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Imports mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Imports mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Imports mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports > >
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