Hi, Łukasz:
Thank you for your interest in improving the access of disabled people
to transport and another amenities in Katowice.
In your wiki, you are proposing to make changes to the tagging of bus
and tram networks.
Public transport tagging is explained in the Public transport wiki [1].
There is one dedicated wiki to Buses [2].
Any change to that wiki should be best discussed in the tagging mailing
list [3] or in the talk pages of those wikis.
In the wiki, you say the following:
"The opinion of companies producing navigation solutions for the blind
As you were able to read before, each of the application works in a
different way. One application recognises a ref as a stop number, other
not. I contacted the persons responsible for the applications and I was
informed that if there will be a standard accepted by the OSM community
they will change the software rules of reading stop names. So I took all
of my knowledge in this place and I’m trying to create that standard."
Some remarks:
The opinion of companies, as well as the opinion of anyone else
(individuals, organizations, etc.), is always welcome in OpenStreetMap,
but we should not adjust our tagging schema to the needs of different
companies, because they aren't the only ones interested in using the
data. We map the reality the best we can, but we can't map for the
different data consumers, because they will have in general different
needs that we can't accommodate.
According to you, they say "if there will be a standard accepted by the
OSM community they would do this and that". But there is actually a
standard accepted by the community, that is what you read in the already
mentioned Public transport and other wikis. With lots of discussions,
and new proposals, yes, but we have and we follow those wikis to map
public transport everywhere around the world, and quite well in my
honest opinion.
According to the wiki [4], the ref tag means "Reference code of the bus
stop", that is quite clear in my opinion. For example, in one of the
tram stops examples of yours [5], we would have the following tags:
name="Pl. Bankowy"
ref="07"
You have also other tags, like local_ref...
Trams numbers 4, 15, 18 and 35 stop in that tram stop. Those numbers can
be extracted by data consumers (companies, etc.) from each of the tram
route relations. So no need to create a new stop_no tag either.
Apart from the tagging mailing list, I would suggest you first to
contact your local Polish osm community, for example through the talk-pl
mailing list [6]. I am sure they will be very glad to discuss with you
about mapping all those objects for Katowice and other areas, so
valuable for disabled people.
Cheers,
Rafael.
[1] Public Transport wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport
[2] Buses mapping: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses
[3] Tagging ML: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[4]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Step_1_-_Make_sure_that_each_bus_stop_in_the_route_has_been_added_to_OpenStreetMap
[5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Ztm_sign.jpg
[6] Polish mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pl
O 26/08/20 ás 13:13, Łukasz Taraszka escribiu:
Hello,
Blind persons are using GPS applications on their phones and use OSM
data as a most common and reliable data source.
We are a team of two programmers and we plan to add additional objects,
very important for a blind persons, to the OSM in Katowice Poland. These
objects will be stop signs.
A stop sign is a place where people should wait for a tram or bus stop.
The concept and the explanation of the project is available on this Wiki
page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#The_opinion_of_companies_producing_navigation_solutions_for_the_blind
We want to create a solution useful for the blind persons and build it
with the harmony with the community so your advices will be very helpful.
--
Pozdrawiam
Taraszka Łukasz
tel. 668 462 791
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